Pre-Game Talk: Ducks vs Jets - Fri Mar 23 7:00pm CT

[raideralex99]

I think that the players fighting over it might disagree with you on how much it means As a pure goal scorer It is a huge honour to receive that award. Hopefully we can have both! I'm sure that they won't let him back into the action if it would jeopardize Pattys play offs.

How many times has Ovechin won the Rocket trophy and how many Stanley Cups rings does he have?

 

[Adam da bomb]

If you are running Wheeler as a QB on PP1 it is more desirable to have a right shot in the slot. Connor if added would replace Stastny down low on the set up. You are ignoring those realities

Not ignoring pointing out they need another goal scorer in that line and little is not it. Wheeler has almost all his points being assists.

 

[Howard Chuck]

But then we have to hear about stupid buff not passing to Laine all GDT....

That has been me the past couple of weeks. Buff apparently either doesn't have good peripheral vision or is sticking to the plan. Either the plan does not include a pass from Buff to Laine or he just doesn't see it. Many times lately he has forced a pass to Wheeler while Laine is wide open and ready.

I don't believe in any conspiracy theories and I hope this doesn't open the door for that type of discussion, but the fact is that Laine has been very obviously open and Buff either doesn't see it or has been coached to pass to wheeler.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Not ignoring pointing out they need another goal scorer in that line and little is not it. Wheeler has almost all his points being assists.

Connor is a poor choice to replace Little. Roslovic is better. And I don’t think they should re-design their PP unless Laine is going to miss the playoffs

 

[Jimmyjets]

That has been me the past couple of weeks. Buff apparently either doesn't have good peripheral vision or is sticking to the plan. Either the plan does not include a pass from Buff to Laine or he just doesn't see it. Many times lately he has forced a pass to Wheeler while Laine is wide open and ready.

I don't believe in any conspiracy theories and I hope this doesn't open the door for that type of discussion, but the fact is that Laine has been very obviously open and Buff either doesn't see it or has been coached to pass to wheeler.

It's that he's coached to pass to Wheeler. Once Wheeler gets the puck he has 3 options for onetimers in Buff, Scheif and Laine/Little as well as passing to the goal line and walking in and taking a shot himself. He has 5 options of what he can do and they only have 4 defenders on the ice so one of those options is open. Hopefully it's the pass to the slot or all the way across the ice as those will produce the best chance for a goal. Buff to Laine doesn't move the goalie enough.

The PP is designed to run through Wheeler on the half wall. That's why Buff passes to him. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

How many times has Ovechin won the Rocket trophy and how many Stanley Cups rings does he have?

What's your point? One being the ultimate goal doesn't make the other meaningless, does it? I'm just saying that Patrik Laine would probably be extremely proud and satisfied (for a short while at least – he'll want more of those) over winning the Rocket Richard award. It may be meaningless to you as fan, but that is subjective. I'm hoping for both, since they aren't mutually exclusive. Winning the Rocket does not cause your team to fall out of the play offs…

 

[Eyeseeing]

I bet he gets two on the road trip

That would be good.
He needs to be sharp too.
I do get a wee bit nervous...not going to lie.
All hands on deck, the playoffs will be a war regardless of opponent.

 

[Howard Chuck]

It's that he's coached to pass to Wheeler. Once Wheeler gets the puck he has 3 options for onetimers in Buff, Scheif and Laine/Little as well as passing to the goal line and walking in and taking a shot himself. He has 5 options of what he can do and they only have 4 defenders on the ice so one of those options is open. Hopefully it's the pass to the slot or all the way across the ice as those will produce the best chance for a goal. Buff to Laine doesn't move the goalie enough.

The PP is designed to run through Wheeler on the half wall. That's why Buff passes to him. Nothing more and nothing less.

I don't profess to be the most knowledgeable hockey poster here, but why isn't there an option to pass to someone very obviously open instead of passing to someone covered? I understand that the PP is supposed to go through Wheeler, but I question the logic in applying such strict rules. Are they coached to be that inflexible? Honest question.

 

[TorJet]

I don't profess to be the most knowledgeable hockey poster here, but why isn't there an option to pass to someone very obviously open instead of passing to someone covered? I understand that the PP is supposed to go through Wheeler, but I question the logic in applying such strict rules. Are they coached to be that inflexible? Honest question.

Harder for a right-handed shot to pass to another right-handed shot on your left. You have to pass across your body; you have less visibility and a narrower window in which to get the puck on the tape.

 

[Dayofthedogs]

I don't profess to be the most knowledgeable hockey poster here, but why isn't there an option to pass to someone very obviously open instead of passing to someone covered? I understand that the PP is supposed to go through Wheeler, but I question the logic in applying such strict rules. Are they coached to be that inflexible? Honest question.

There is an excellent article about the Jets PP and how they use Wheeler passing across the seam in order to score.

This year Winnipeg has done the ovi spot better than Washington.

Forcing the goaltender to move further laterally is one reason. Second, Laine often throws a pass from Buff strait back across to Wheeler.

I think it's very short sighted to believe Buff should be passing to Laine more. There are very good reasons why the PP runs the way it does.

 

[PhilJets]

He wont be. Why? Because its really a nothing game for us... **** the Rocket.. Its an individual award that doesnt mean much.. Ill take a 100 percent healthy laine in the playoffs instead.

Rocket means a lot, winning it for anybody is a big deal.

But it doesnt mean it should get in the way of what's best for the team.

So you are correct a healthy Laine for the playoff is far greater important.
He is a game changer. Opens up so much ice for everybody.

 

[PhilJets]

Come out of this game healthy and a win is all i want

 

[raideralex99]

What's your point? One being the ultimate goal doesn't make the other meaningless, does it? I'm just saying that Patrik Laine would probably be extremely proud and satisfied (for a short while at least – he'll want more of those) over winning the Rocket Richard award. It may be meaningless to you as fan, but that is subjective. I'm hoping for both, since they aren't mutually exclusive. Winning the Rocket does not cause your team to fall out of the play offs…

My point is every player would rather win the Stanley Cup than an award. Sometimes not winning an award makes the team play at a higher level. Heck even some fans want Laine to win the rocket so bad that they are calling down players for not passing the puck to him which is dumb. Laine will win the rocket trophy probably a few times in his career but lets not focus on that award so much to call down other Jet players.

 

[PhilJets]

It's that he's coached to pass to Wheeler. Once Wheeler gets the puck he has 3 options for onetimers in Buff, Scheif and Laine/Little as well as passing to the goal line and walking in and taking a shot himself. He has 5 options of what he can do and they only have 4 defenders on the ice so one of those options is open. Hopefully it's the pass to the slot or all the way across the ice as those will produce the best chance for a goal. Buff to Laine doesn't move the goalie enough.

The PP is designed to run through Wheeler on the half wall. That's why Buff passes to him. Nothing more and nothing less.

Its also ok to pass to the right side once in a while.

Laine is a great passer also.

All teams will play hia shot if he gets it on the left side opening up other player as well.

You will need that in the playoff but ofcourse.

Buff to Wheeler and see who is open from there is the go to play.

If Jets are winning big and they have a pp.

They should try Morrissey or Chairot up top instead of buff once in a while. And put buff in pp2 so he still have his pp time.

 

[raideralex99]

Come out of this game healthy and a win is all i want

Yup ... healthy players is the main goal. It does not even bother me when the Jets lose now because I know they are a top elite team. If they lose its because of the League (refs) or bad luck or hot goalie or a bad night so in other words a fuke if they lose.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

My point is every player would rather win the Stanley Cup than an award. Sometimes not winning an award makes the team play at a higher level. Heck even some fans want Laine to win the rocket so bad that they are calling down players for not passing the puck to him which is dumb. Laine will win the rocket trophy probably a few times in his career but lets not focus on that award so much to call down other Jet players.

I wonder how is the Jets W/L record when Laine scores compared to when he doesn't? I'd guess that the more Laine scores, the more the team wins. If he scores the most of all players and wins the Rocket, the team wins aswell. Also, the whole Ovechkin/Caps comparison falters since these two teams aren't really that similar. Both teams just happen to have an elite scorer and PP specialist on them.

 

[boanst]

That has been me the past couple of weeks. Buff apparently either doesn't have good peripheral vision or is sticking to the plan. Either the plan does not include a pass from Buff to Laine or he just doesn't see it. Many times lately he has forced a pass to Wheeler while Laine is wide open and ready.

I don't believe in any conspiracy theories and I hope this doesn't open the door for that type of discussion, but the fact is that Laine has been very obviously open and Buff either doesn't see it or has been coached to pass to wheeler.

Maybe this is something they should be working on in practise but save the in-game implementation for the playoffs.

 

[Festinator]

That has been me the past couple of weeks. Buff apparently either doesn't have good peripheral vision or is sticking to the plan. Either the plan does not include a pass from Buff to Laine or he just doesn't see it. Many times lately he has forced a pass to Wheeler while Laine is wide open and ready.

I don't believe in any conspiracy theories and I hope this doesn't open the door for that type of discussion, but the fact is that Laine has been very obviously open and Buff either doesn't see it or has been coached to pass to wheeler.

Fact is, Wheeler is the PP quarterback. Often when Buff has the option to pass to Laine, he knows Laine won't shoot it if he does because he won't be in a prime position to shoot it.

I'm surprised other people haven't caught on, but literally the only time the puck is sent towards Laine is to shoot it, or if things are scramble and they're trying to regain control.

Buff isn't looking to see if Laine is open enough to receive a pass. Buff is looking to see if Laine is open enough to take a high quality shot. This is the key thing here, and why buff doesn't pass to Laine as much even if he's open to receive a pass. Even if Laine gets the puck from buff, he'll be closed down too quickly to do anything useful with it. That's why Buff just sends it right back to Wheeler. Same thing for behind the goal line. Stastny will rarely cycle it around to Laine, it goes right back to Wheeler.

One of the times you will see buff look for Laine immediately is if they win the draw clean. That's when Laine is most open and Laine has scored a few of his goals mere seconds into the powerplay due to that set play.

But ya, it's not that Buff can't see Laine open, they're basically sticking with the plan to have Wheeler playmake from the right wall. It's gotten them the 2nd best PP in the league so makes complete sense.

 

[Aavco Cup]

And look here

 

[Adam da bomb]

Great we have analyzed how it should ideally work. So what is going wrong with this perfect plan? And I don't mean Lanie was injured the pp has been struggling as of late with everyone healthy.

 

[Festinator]

And look here

Interesting how it's a defensive team of the year card and his def rating is the only thing that's not 99 lol

 

[YWGinYYZ]

I've got tickets for this Friday's game - pretty excited!

 

[Royale With Cheese]

He wont be. Why? Because its really a nothing game for us... **** the Rocket.. Its an individual award that doesnt mean much.. Ill take a 100 percent healthy laine in the playoffs instead.

True.

Also, an injured player playing against legendary douchebags Perry and Kesler won’t do him any good either.

 

[PhilJets]

Fact is, Wheeler is the PP quarterback. Often when Buff has the option to pass to Laine, he knows Laine won't shoot it if he does because he won't be in a prime position to shoot it.

I'm surprised other people haven't caught on, but literally the only time the puck is sent towards Laine is to shoot it, or if things are scramble and they're trying to regain control.

Buff isn't looking to see if Laine is open enough to receive a pass. Buff is looking to see if Laine is open enough to take a high quality shot. This is the key thing here, and why buff doesn't pass to Laine as much even if he's open to receive a pass. Even if Laine gets the puck from buff, he'll be closed down too quickly to do anything useful with it. That's why Buff just sends it right back to Wheeler. Same thing for behind the goal line. Stastny will rarely cycle it around to Laine, it goes right back to Wheeler.

One of the times you will see buff look for Laine immediately is if they win the draw clean. That's when Laine is most open and Laine has scored a few of his goals mere seconds into the powerplay due to that set play.

But ya, it's not that Buff can't see Laine open, they're basically sticking with the plan to have Wheeler playmake from the right wall. It's gotten them the 2nd best PP in the league so makes complete sense.

The one time Buff passed to laine wasn't a higj quality shot to take as it is well out, Buff actually passed it slower than normal and the goalie had to to move.

Its just Laine shot is to good he can beat goalies clean.

But yes first option is Buff to Wheeler but passing it to Laine a few times doesnt hurt also.

 

[Georgetown Al]

Sorry Ducks...

You are out matched...
You Donald Duck followers...