Proposal: Draisaitl

[duffy9748]

TRADE VALUE HERE IS IRRELEVANT FOR THE FLYERS, but it's something I'd expect most Montreal fans to except. I know Giroux could return more, but because it's almost July 1st and it's the time of the year to imagine:
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Trade Giroux to Montreal for a 2018 1st, 2019 1st, and Tomas Plekanec.

Sign Draisaitl to a 7 year/70M contract.

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If all Hextall does is resign Simmonds and fill expiring contracts with prospects in the system, this is what the organizational depth could look like in 2019-2020:

Lindblom-Draisaitl-Voracek
Konecny-Patrick-Simmonds
Rubtsov(2016 1st)-Couturier-Allison(2016 2nd)
Frost(2017 1st)-Laughton-Weise
Ratcliffe(2017 2nd)-Vorobyov(2015 4th)-Laberge(2016 2nd)

Provorov-Sanheim
Morin-Myers
Ghost-Gudas
Hagg-MacDonald

Hart
Sandstrom
Lyon
Stolarz
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They would lose four first round picks to Edmonton, but that is offset by the acquisitions of the Blue's 1st round pick in 2018 or 2019 and Montreal's 1st round picks in 2018 and 2019. Draisaitl is 1.725M more expensive than Giroux, but I don't think it's any doubt who the better and more productive player will be over the next 5-7 years. That entire roster will be 26 or younger at the start of the 2019-2020 season except for Voracek(30), Simmonds(31), Gudas(29), Weise, and MacDonald. Weise and MacDonald's contracts up would be expiring after the season.

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[The Madrigal]

 

[Random Forest]

Ignoring how utterly absurd this is, I do think offersheeting Draisaitl 10m for seven years is something some teams should be considering. I don't think we're the team to do it... but I would love Draisaitl on the Flyers. Been massively high on him since before he was drafted.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I'm not sure it matters what we'd offer sheet Drai. I'd think Edmonton would match.

 

[Random Forest]

I'm not sure it matters what we'd offer sheet Drai. I'd think Edmonton would match.

They're actually not in a terrific position. Tying up 23.25mm on two centers would tie the hands of any team. They'd have a year to figure things out before McDavid's contract kicks in, but they'd have to make some decisions. RNH is likely gone regardless.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I think Chiarelli would just match & deal with it later. Obviously you make the odds of him ****ing up that situation even higher than it already is. But Chiarelli is definitely shoot first ask questions later type of guy.

Most GM's aren't that agressive though anyway. They treat their job like they're golfing at the country club with each other.

 

[Magua]

NHL GMs are too nicey nice to do that offer sheet. Look at Kucherov last year. Yzerman had zero pressure and signed him to a sweetheart ridiculously underpaid bridge deal, all while the situation was begging for an offer sheet. Despite it being perfectly in the rules, they are too afraid to sour relationships and look petty among their peers or have it come back to bite them with their own players. It's why they practically never happen, and certainly not offer sheets of that magnitude. For all intents and purposes, offer sheeting seems to be dead.

 

[Winston Wolf]

What happens when they match?

Patrick and Couturier as the only two guaranteed NHL centers on the roster sounds like a bad idea. I'm not sure if it's really worth the risk. Obviously upgrading from Giroux to Draisaitl is a no brainer, but the risk of having neither of them on your team isn't really worth it. Giroux is a flawed player with some questions to answer going forward, but having Giroux, Patrick, and Couturier up the middle is still going to create difficult match ups if Patrick lives up to the hype. Trying to find a center as good as Giroux to fill that hole would be tough if the Oilers match.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Ignoring how utterly absurd this is, I do think offersheeting Draisaitl 10m for seven years is something some teams should be considering. I don't think we're the team to do it... but I would love Draisaitl on the Flyers. Been massively high on him since before he was drafted.

Me too, bigtime. He is one of only three players (Drai, Pulju, Pastrnak) around the league that I actively covet, and two of them are from an organization I loathe with every fiber of my being.

 

[Prongo]

If they pay Mcdavid 13.5 million per year they will need to keep Draisaitl under 10 million to keep a competitive team. They would be the highest paid duo in the NHL.

 

[duffy9748]

What happens when they match?

Patrick and Couturier as the only two guaranteed NHL centers on the roster sounds like a bad idea. I'm not sure if it's really worth the risk. Obviously upgrading from Giroux to Draisaitl is a no brainer, but the risk of having neither of them on your team isn't really worth it. Giroux is a flawed player with some questions to answer going forward, but having Giroux, Patrick, and Couturier up the middle is still going to create difficult match ups if Patrick lives up to the hype. Trying to find a center as good as Giroux to fill that hole would be tough if the Oilers match.

Didn't think it was necessary for me to say that you hold onto Giroux if you don't get Draisaitl. You don't trade Giroux unless Edmonton accepts the picks.

 

[duffy9748]

Ignoring how utterly absurd this is, I do think offersheeting Draisaitl 10m for seven years is something some teams should be considering. I don't think we're the team to do it... but I would love Draisaitl on the Flyers. Been massively high on him since before he was drafted.

It's definitely unlikely, what's "absurd" about it though?

 

[BackWithaVengeance]

A combo of Draisatl and Patrick would be deadly. Unfortunately it won't happen.

 

[Lord Defect]

Didn't think it was necessary for me to say that you hold onto Giroux if you don't get Draisaitl. You don't trade Giroux unless Edmonton accepts the picks.

Don't you need the cap room available in order to offer sheet someone?

 

[GKJ]

It would defintely be a big problem when we're trying to sign Provorov, Sanheim and Patrick.

 

[duffy9748]

Don't you need the cap room available in order to offer sheet someone?

Pretty sure you can go over the cap by 10%, or at least you used to be able to. Either way, they have over 10M in space right now and with one other move, they could make enough room to fill out the roster.

 

[kelmitchell]

Pretty sure you can go over the cap by 10%, or at least you used to be able to. Either way, they have over 10M in space right now and with one other move, they could make enough room to fill out the roster.

Pretty sure we only have 7 million in cap space, no?

 

[Rebels57]

Why is Giroux fetching a return from Montreal that is barely more than the return for Schenn?

 

[Flyers1987]

Pretty sure you can go over the cap by 10%, or at least you used to be able to. Either way, they have over 10M in space right now and with one other move, they could make enough room to fill out the roster.

It is an intriguing idea and tough to pull off with the current salaries. Something definitely to consider. Other teams I hope offer him an offer sheet even though the Oilers will probably match. Say if the Oilers are the next multiple cup team you want to cause them as much salary cap pain as possible to avoid this especially if you are a team out west. Does this cause friction between gm's. Yes, but it is in the rules.

 

[Rebels57]

It would defintely be a big problem when we're trying to sign Provorov, Sanheim and Patrick.

Therein lies the problem.

 

[FlyRoutine]

TRADE VALUE HERE IS IRRELEVANT FOR THE FLYERS, but it's something I'd expect most Montreal fans to except. I know Giroux could return more, but because it's almost July 1st and it's the time of the year to imagine:
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Trade Giroux to Montreal for a 2018 1st, 2019 1st, and Tomas Plekanec.

Sign Draisaitl to a 7 year/70M contract.

---------------------

If all Hextall does is resign Simmonds and fill expiring contracts with prospects in the system, this is what the organizational depth could look like in 2019-2020:

Lindblom-Draisaitl-Voracek
Konecny-Patrick-Simmonds
Rubtsov(2016 1st)-Couturier-Allison(2016 2nd)
Frost(2017 1st)-Laughton-Weise
Ratcliffe(2017 2nd)-Vorobyov(2015 4th)-Laberge(2016 2nd)

Provorov-Sanheim
Morin-Myers
Ghost-Gudas
Hagg-MacDonald

Hart
Sandstrom
Lyon
Stolarz
---------------------------------

They would lose four first round picks to Edmonton, but that is offset by the acquisitions of the Blue's 1st round pick in 2018 or 2019 and Montreal's 1st round picks in 2018 and 2019. Draisaitl is 1.725M more expensive than Giroux, but I don't think it's any doubt who the better and more productive player will be over the next 5-7 years. That entire roster will be 26 or younger at the start of the 2019-2020 season except for Voracek(30), Simmonds(31), Gudas(29), Weise, and MacDonald. Weise and MacDonald's contracts up would be expiring after the season.

Even if the Flyers would get draisaitl via offersheet, why should the Flyers sell low on Giroux? Just to get the Habs out of that mess they got themselves into? I dont think so.

 

[Lord Defect]

Are we forgetting about Giroux's NMC?

 

[OrangeAndBlackMetal]

Therein lies the problem.

 

[duffy9748]

Why is Giroux fetching a return from Montreal that is barely more than the return for Schenn?

Maybe read the first sentence of the post that's in capital letters. No **** he could return more, it even makes it look better in the end.

 

[Hockeypete49]

I'm not sure it matters what we'd offer sheet Drai. I'd think Edmonton would match.

Yep no need to waste our time here. Also Giroux does not want to leave so are you willing to start a war here? Trying to trade him would rip the room apart, not a good idea at this point and time.