Draisaitl Vs Gaudreau

[booyakasha]

Go ahead, I'm all ears.

I think most on this board know your views on Johhny and nothing will dissuade you from feeling otherwise.
we'll end it with an agree to disagree, because further discussion will only result in arguements running n circles.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I think most on this board know your views on Johhny and nothing will dissuade you from feeling otherwise.
we'll end it with an agree to disagree, because further discussion will only result in arguements running n circles.

So you've got nothing, good to know.

Meanwhile, Gaudreau scores again. 9 game point streak.

 

[booyakasha]

So you've got nothing, good to know.

Meanwhile, Gaudreau scores again. 9 game point streak.

blind homer, of course.
the only thing Johnny has on Hall, is shortness of sature.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

blind homer, of course.

What am I supposed to say when you straight up refuse to make an argument?

Gaudreau has been the better player - by far - ever since he entered the league. He's out produced him by a significant margin while playing much better 2 way hockey.

 

[Deam78]

Honestly, I'm surprised it's that close. Really interesting poll.

 

[booyakasha]

What am I supposed to say when you straight up refuse to make an argument?

Gaudreau has been the better player - by far - ever since he entered the league. He's out produced him by a significant margin while playing much better 2 way hockey.

how about this, if and when Johnny has over a PPG season, or better yet, a PPG season, then you come let me know.
Hall has done that, johnny?...not yet.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

how about this, if and when Johnny has over a PPG season, or better yet, a PPG season, then you come let me know.
Hall has done that, johnny?...not yet.

By that metric, would you agree that Henrik Sedin is better than McDavid?

You see why I say that's not a reasonable argument?

 

[Deam78]

how about this, if and when Johnny has over a PPG season, or better yet, a PPG season, then you come let me know.
Hall has done that, johnny?...not yet.

I guess that's crooked a bit, I mean 78 in 79 is basically a PPG season, but i get your point.

Gaudreau's career: 230/250 = 0.92 ppg
Hall's career: 400/471 = 0.85 ppg

I guess the argument Gaudreau outproduced him since he entered the league is valid since he entered the league in 2014-2015 after Hall's only PPG or over season (80 in 75).

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Make it 3 points so far for Gaudreau today.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I don't think this should be this close. That's not to say that the players aren't close, but Gaudreau should be obviously a little better

 

[flamesforcup]

Gaudreaus elite.

 

[Garthinater]

I'd hope Taylor Hall had more points than a 20 year old, basically rookie. His PPG was slightly higher yes. You also ignored when Draisaitl put up 31 in 37 away from McDavid (some on the PP, but if you're going to discredit PP production then you better do it for every player), and his performance in the playoffs. Thats 3 different clips at the age of 21 or less that Draisaitl proved he can produce away from McDavid. If thats not enough for you then so be it, but its enough for me to know Draisaitl can centre his own line. Its not his fault that Chiarelli still hasn't found McDavid a RWer, and that McLellan is afraid to put a rookie Puljujarvi on McDavid's wing, or try RNH at wing (although with his play this season I don't see much reason to move him away from his natural position).

Do you honestly think the reason drai isn't centering his own line is because they have no one else to play on the wing with mcd?

 

[DFF]

Without Gaudreau, the Flames would have no offense and be last in the league

Without Drai, the Oilers would probably still be where they are today.

Gaudreau is obviously more valuable

 

[Ainec]

Sean Monahan vs Johnny Gaudreau would be a lot closer

I'm leaning towards Sean, he just scored a hattrick today

 

[DFF]

Sean Monahan vs Johnny Gaudreau would be a lot closer

I'm leaning towards Sean, he just scored a hattrick today

And you are wrong....

 

[McFlyingV]

Do you honestly think the reason drai isn't centering his own line is because they have no one else to play on the wing with mcd?

How about we look at it logically. McDavid and RNH are both centres and have never played wing before. The team lacks skilled wingers immensely. Leon Draisaitl has proven he can play both centre and wing. Should we play RNH or Draisaitl on the 3rd line with wingers that are on track for under 20 points this season? Should we play RNH or McDavid on the wing, positions they've never played before so that Drai can play centre in the top 6?

Let me ask you this. Do you honestly think McLellan would have put Draisaitl at centre in the middle of the Western Conference Semi-finals if he didn't trust him there? Do you really think thats a good idea to be putting a guy in a position that you don't trust him, in the most important games of the year? Your logic is severely lacking.

 

[Garthinater]

Sean Monahan vs Johnny Gaudreau would be a lot closer

I'm leaning towards Sean, he just scored a hattrick today

Lol you've been wrecked a couple times in this thread where you refuse to reply and then post your next garbage opinion. Give it a rest

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Sean Monahan vs Johnny Gaudreau would be a lot closer

I'm leaning towards Sean, he just scored a hattrick today

Hahahahahaha

 

[Ainec]

Hahahahahaha

you said Hanzal or Henrique were better than Monahan, forgot which

so I understand why you would think that's so funny

 

[Garthinater]

How about we look at it logically. McDavid and RNH are both centres and have never played wing before. The team lacks skilled wingers immensely. Leon Draisaitl has proven he can play both centre and wing. Should we play RNH or Draisaitl on the 3rd line with wingers that are on track for under 20 points this season? Should we play RNH or McDavid on the wing, positions they've never played before so that Drai can play centre in the top 6?

Let me ask you this. Do you honestly think McLellan would have put Draisaitl at centre in the middle of the Western Conference Semi-finals if he didn't trust him there? Do you really think thats a good idea to be putting a guy in a position that you don't trust him, in the most important games of the year? Your logic is severely lacking.

So you're saying drai can't carry his own line because he doesn't have any skilled wingers to play with? A player about to make 8.5 mil shouldn't need all star wingers to play with. I've shown you the stats. Clearly mcdavid can produce on his own without drai so it's not like he needs Leon on his line. The article I got the graph from even mentions how all the good team's spread out their best players. The reason Edmonton hasn't is because drai is not yet capable of driving his own line.
You're doing an awful lot of mental gymnastics in order to make your opinion.

Edit: I've already mentioned his hot playoffs. All of drai's underlying metrics showed that his play was very highly unsustainable. And yet lots of Oilers fans tried to say that Leon is just that good. Some even tried saying he was better than Matthews rofl

 

[Garthinater]

Hahahahahaha

I think it's time we ignore hutton. He/she is clearly not even trying anymore

 

[McFlyingV]

So you're saying drai can't carry his own line because he doesn't have any skilled wingers to play with? A player about to make 8.5 mil shouldn't need all star wingers to play with. I've shown you the stats. Clearly mcdavid can produce on his own without drai so it's not like he needs Leon on his line. The article I got the graph from even mentions how all the good team's spread out their best players. The reason Edmonton hasn't is because drai is not yet capable of driving his own line.
You're doing an awful lot of mental gymnastics in order to make your opinion.

Edit: I've already mentioned his hot playoffs. All of drai's underlying metrics showed that his play was very highly unsustainable. And yet lots of Oilers fans tried to say that Leon is just that good. Some even tried saying he was better than Matthews rofl

I didn't say that at all, but find me another player in the league who is going to play on the 3rd line rather than the top 6 just so he can prove to HF boards that he can drive his own line. There's very few teams who have the wingers to support a 3 line offensive approach.

What Draisaitl has shown is he has put up 51 points in 72 games, 31 points in 37 games, and whatever he did in the playoffs away from McDavid 5v5. If thats not a big enough sample for you then so be it. Thats not mental gymnastics, those are the facts. The only mental gymnastics I'm seeing in here is you believe you know what goes through Todd McLellan's head.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

you said Hanzal or Henrique were better than Monahan, forgot which

so I understand why you would think that's so funny

I think everyone with a pair of eyes thinks that's funny.

 

[Ainec]

I think it's time we ignore hutton. He/she is clearly not even trying anymore

Disappointed to hear. I only followed the standards you set.

I know you're being sarcastic but at least be honest. Drai is not a ppg player unless you consider an insane hot streak in the playoffs consisting of 13 games a "ppg player". I don't know how many times the stats have been shown but when Drai is not playing with mcd he has not been very good at all.

I know you're being sarcastic but at least be honest. Gaud is not a ppg player unless you consider being sheltered and relying on easy matchups until the playoffs a "ppg" player. I don't know how many times the stats have been shown but when Gaud is not sheltered by the Tkachuk line he has not been very good at all.

 

[Ainec]

I think everyone with a pair of eyes thinks that's funny.

It was obviously a joke. No way Sean Monahan is better than Gaudreau

Hanzal or Henrique on the other hand...