Post-Game Talk: Draft Lottery - Bedard going to Chicago. Canucks stay at 11.

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

I see the Hockey Writers are speculating that the Canucks 11th overall pick could be in play in a proposed deal for Alex Lafreniere out of New York. Dhaliwal has long speculated about the Canucks long-standing interest in the former first overall pick.

I suppose where there's 'smoke' there could be come 'fire'. And it would be consistent with Rutherford and Allvin's long-stated philosophy of acquiring young assets who are coming out of their ELC's and have disappointed, but still have room to grow.

Blowing two first rounders and their second rounder in what purports to be a deep draft, would probably cause some Canuck fans to lose their minds.

Seems to me that flushing picks to acquire the likes of Hronek and possibly Lafreniere is 'doubling-down' on the failed Jim Benning strategy. But it is what it is, I guess.

Dont see why the Canucks would splurge out on an underachieving left winger...Positionally, its not what the Canucks desperately need.

Why do the Rangers need a 11th OA draft pick...?...They are more in a desperate win-now scenario than the Canucks are..Especially given that they have a number of aging core players.

Sounds like some speculation from some bored hockey writers.

 

[VanJack]

Exactly. Why would the Canucks do this?

About the only explanation is that Lafreniere is a former first overall draft pick. While the 11th overall pick might not turn out to be as good in the long run. It would really depend on who's left on the board when the 11th selection comes up.

But such a deal would be huge risk for both the Canucks and the Rangers.

 

[Bubbles]

Exactly. Why would the Canucks do this?

About the only explanation is that Lafreniere is a former first overall draft pick. While the 11th overall pick might not turn out to be as good in the long run. It would really depend on who's left on the board when the 11th selection comes up.

But such a deal would be huge risk for both the Canucks and the Rangers.

I was actually thinking the Canucks should offer sheet Lafreniere. The Rags will match anything around $6M per, but let's say the Canucks offer an 8 year, $67.2M contract (8.4M a year)

The Rangers would never match because of their cap structure.

 

[Nuckster]

I see the Hockey Writers are speculating that the Canucks 11th overall pick could be in play in a proposed deal for Alex Lafreniere out of New York. Dhaliwal has long speculated about the Canucks long-standing interest in the former first overall pick.

I suppose where there's 'smoke' there could be come 'fire'. And it would be consistent with Rutherford and Allvin's long-stated philosophy of acquiring young assets who are coming out of their ELC's and have disappointed, but still have room to grow.

Blowing two first rounders and their second rounder in what purports to be a deep draft, would probably cause some Canuck fans to lose their minds.

Seems to me that flushing picks to acquire the likes of Hronek and possibly Lafreniere is 'doubling-down' on the failed Jim Benning strategy. But it is what it is, I guess.

Interesting. Others (media) have been saying Lafrenierre is pretty untouchable, that NYR want to see him under a new coach. Given their lineup he wasn't really utilized they way he should have been and still performed fairly well. He's gone from 21 pts (in 56 games) to 31 to 39 this year. While you expect more from a first overall pick, I would argue his deployment has muted his numbers.

He averaged 14 mins his first and second year, and only 15 mins last year. He also only has 6 pp points over his career (due to a lack of PP ice).

If he's offered up to us, I think its a no brainer for 11th. There's a ton of upside there if he's used properly.

 

[Vector]

I am praying that Jim Benning gets hired as Chicago's GM.

They already have a GM?

 

[DonnyNucker]

Celebrini, UFA in 4 years. Bedard, UFA in 7 years. Odds of them signing in Vancouver seem higher than winning the draft lottery.

Regarding the spitting contest between Nuckster and DonnyNucker, and assuming both have credible sources, I want to believe what a 17 yr old teenager tells his friends and family versus what a former coach thinks his former 12 yr old player might do when he is 24.

He is a boy. Things will change when he meets a nice girl in Chicago and makes some friends. Nuckster is just a delusional homer. It’s not a spitting contest, I’m just assuming Bedard is a rationale person with a good head on his shoulders. According to my buddy he is a great kid

I was actually thinking the Canucks should offer sheet Lafreniere. The Rags will match anything around $6M per, but let's say the Canucks offer an 8 year, $67.2M contract (8.4M a year)

The Rangers would never match because of their cap structure.

Why is he worth $8.4MM. Lol

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Interesting. Others (media) have been saying Lafrenierre is pretty untouchable, that NYR want to see him under a new coach. Given their lineup he wasn't really utilized they way he should have been and still performed fairly well. He's gone from 21 pts (in 56 games) to 31 to 39 this year. While you expect more from a first overall pick, I would argue his deployment has muted his numbers.

He averaged 14 mins his first and second year, and only 15 mins last year. He also only has 6 pp points over his career (due to a lack of PP ice).

If he's offered up to us, I think its a no brainer for 11th. There's a ton of upside there if he's used properly.

If he’s offered to the Canucks it pretty much means that NYR have given up on him as a prospect..If the Rangers genuinely thought he was going to be a star,they wouldn’t even entertain the idea of moving him ,after only 3 seasons..

It’s far from a no brainer…More of a red flag..IMO

The Canucks are better served in finding and developing their own player with the 11th OA.

 

[Petey But Really Jim]

Conor Bedard is going to play out most of his prime as a Vancouver Canuck. Do not care what anyone says.

Chicago is a dogshit organization and Bedard’s parents are not happy that they have they #1 overall pick.

Anything you can add here?

 

[DonnyNucker]

Anything you can add here?

He had tea with Bedards mom

 

[LordBacon]

Trading away a 1st round pick in a deep draft for a half-bust former high pick player should be the last thing to do especially considering the situation that we're in.
Which is why I fully expect them to do this shit.

 

[Icebreakers]

I honestly think that Benson may just be there at 11.

Teams like St Louis, Det, and Washington arent taking a smallish winger.

Similar to Kyle Connor, Cole Perfetti, Marco Rossi who all sled on draft day compared to their "consensus" ranking.

 

[Icebreakers]

I believe that there are 8 players who wont be there at 11.

The top 4
Smith
Leonard
Reinbacher
Dvorsky

Reinbacher and Dvorsky will go based on need.

 

[alternate]

Zero chance Laff is worth the 11th OA pick in this draft. But is he enough to slide back to 23?

For me, probably not. But if Allvin feels one of the 2nd tier RS dmen will be available at 23, might make some sense to move back.

NYR seem to be in some cap trouble from a quick look at Capfriendly. With Laff being RFA maybe they look to deal him. Don't think 11 for Laff+23 would get done, but might be the framework for deal...but then I'm assuming Lafreniere's value has plummeted.

 

[God]

They already have a GM?

People get fired all the time.

 

[VanJack]

Zero chance Laff is worth the 11th OA pick in this draft. But is he enough to slide back to 23?

For me, probably not. But if Allvin feels one of the 2nd tier RS dmen will be available at 23, might make some sense to move back.

NYR seem to be in some cap trouble from a quick look at Capfriendly. With Laff being RFA maybe they look to deal him. Don't think 11 for Laff+23 would get done, but might be the framework for deal...but then I'm assuming Lafreniere's value has plummeted.

J.T Miller is the piece around which the Rangers and Canucks could make something work. Rangers have some young forwards the Canucks probably covet like Lafreniere, Kaako, Chytil and Othmann. And they've long been interested in Braden Schneider, a right-shot d-man.

Obviously the Rangers were bitterly disappointed at bowing out to the Devils, and some of their younger forwards didn't get much done in the playoffs.

So it's a possibility that Miller and the 11th pick might land the Canucks Lafreniere and maybe a few other young guys.

Sadly, the Hronek trade clearly signals that the Canucks are open for business and apparently don't have a problem trading first round draft picks.

 

[Canucks LB]

Trading away a 1st round pick in a deep draft for a half-bust former high pick player should be the last thing to do especially considering the situation that we're in.
Which is why I fully expect them to do this shit.

It’s happened, it’s over, nobody knows how good he’s gonna be.

Also, the pick was way worse than a lot of people expected

 

[wetcoast]

I was actually thinking the Canucks should offer sheet Lafreniere. The Rags will match anything around $6M per, but let's say the Canucks offer an 8 year, $67.2M contract (8.4M a year)

The Rangers would never match because of their cap structure.

You have more faith in Laf then I do that's for sure.

He just seems to be lacking...............

 

[Bubbles]

You have more faith in Laf then I do that's for sure.

He just seems to be lacking...............

LOL I guess it's more like how much our ex-agent AGM likes him.

Rangers might not even sign a $6.3 million offer sheet. That's only a 1st and 3rd.

 

[Icebreakers]

J.T Miller is the piece around which the Rangers and Canucks could make something work. Rangers have some young forwards the Canucks probably covet like Lafreniere, Kaako, Chytil and Othmann. And they've long been interested in Braden Schneider, a right-shot d-man.

Obviously the Rangers were bitterly disappointed at bowing out to the Devils, and some of their younger forwards didn't get much done in the playoffs.

So it's a possibility that Miller and the 11th pick might land the Canucks Lafreniere and maybe a few other young guys.

Sadly, the Hronek trade clearly signals that the Canucks are open for business and apparently don't have a problem trading first round draft picks.

Rangers have 0 cap space. Not possible.

LOL I guess it's more like how much our ex-agent AGM likes him.

Rangers might not even sign a $6.3 million offer sheet. That's only a 1st and 3rd.

Not might. That's a 100% chance they take the picks and run.

 

[Nuckster]

If he’s offered to the Canucks it pretty much means that NYR have given up on him as a prospect..If the Rangers genuinely thought he was going to be a star,they wouldn’t even entertain the idea of moving him ,after only 3 seasons..

It’s far from a no brainer…More of a red flag..IMO

The Canucks are better served in finding and developing their own player with the 11th OA.

Rangers have cap issues and his ELC has expired.

I don't think you can say they are 'red flags' here given his ice time, production, and lack of PP usage. Issue is perhaps the expectations vs results aren't where they want them.

Again, I'm not saying they will trade him, it sounds like NYR know he was under utilized but to your point, doesn't seem like there are red flags here

Lafreniere Average Time On Ice | StatMuse

Alexis Lafreniere has averaged 14:58 on ice per game in his career.

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[Nick Lang]

LOL I guess it's more like how much our ex-agent AGM likes him.

Rangers might not even sign a $6.3 million offer sheet. That's only a 1st and 3rd.

Are you actually being serious? He's not even worth $4 mil at his current production.

 

[Bubbles]

Are you actually being serious? He's not even worth $4 mil at his current production.

Yes. It's obviously a bold move. He could flop but he's been making steady improvements with largely 3rd line minutes. We have his ex-agent here and she might have ideas on how to utilize him better.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Rangers have cap issues and his ELC has expired.

I don't think you can say they are 'red flags' here given his ice time, production, and lack of PP usage. Issue is perhaps the expectations vs results aren't where they want them.

Again, I'm not saying they will trade him, it sounds like NYR know he was under utilized but to your point, doesn't seem like there are red flags here

Lafreniere Average Time On Ice | StatMuse

Alexis Lafreniere has averaged 14:58 on ice per game in his career.

www.statmuse.com

There's obviously a reason why his ice time is lower, and he doesnt play on the PP...You create your own luck, and earn your minutes in the big leagues...If a team is considering moving their 1st OA after only 3 seasons, thats a red flag imo...It doesnt mean the player has personality issues, it just means that there is now a risk/limitation associated with the player.

The Canucks also have cap issues, and we desperately need impactful ELC's on the roster....Are we going to give up the 11th OA to inherit their problem.

and again, is LW a pressing need for the Canucks..?

 

[Nuckster]

There's obviously a reason why his ice time is lower, and he doesnt play on the PP...You create your own luck, and earn your minutes in the big leagues...If a team is considering moving their 1st OA after only 3 seasons, thats a red flag imo...It doesnt mean the player has personality issues, it just means that there is now a risk/limitation associated with the player.

The Canucks also have cap issues, and we desperately need impactful ELC's on the roster....Are we going to give up the 11th OA to inherit their problem.

and again, is LW a pressing need for the Canucks..?

I think you're taking an oversimplistic view here. Do you think Lafrenierre is somehow going to earn more ice on the left side over Panarin and Kreider? It's not a red flag he's on the third line, its exactly the type of player Vegas stole from other teams in the expansion draft. Players with top 6 talent but not getting the ice time to prove it.

Second, we are cap compliant once the season starts we don't have 'cap issues' this is a misnomer. Yes we need cap to improve, we don't have cap space issues to field a line up like say Toronto, Boston, and likely Edmonton. Myer's is also an easy move post his bonus in Sept. $1 mil cash, $6 cap hit, cap floor teams will happily take a mobile RD.

Third, he's a RFA who's put up 39 points, he's getting a low cost bridge and is only 22 years old. I'd prefer a player who's proven he can play in the NHL at 22 vs. an ELC who could easily end up in the AHL or worse.

No LW is not a pressing need, however you do what you can to improve your team. De Guiseppe was our 2nd LW for most of the year. I appreciate Mikhayev was hurt but he can also play both sides.

Anyways, I am of the view if the 11th is all they want, I'd do it. You wouldn't, fair enough.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Closing this down so we just have one draft thread going.