Draft and UDFA Thread 2017-18

[Gardner McKay]

Duclair is barely an NHLer, Miller and Buchnevich havent proven to be consistent top six forwards

Miller and Buchnevich have both produced like top-six forwards.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Since 2009 the team has drafted one top six forward in Kreider. And one top four defencemen in Skjei who i'm still unsure about. How is that acceptable, thats terrible drafting.

Since 2009 WSH drafted 2 top-6 forwards and 1 top-4 defenseman
Since 2009 PIT drafted 1 top-6 forward and 1 top-4 defenseman
Since 2009 BOS drafted 2 top-6 forwards and 1 top-4 defenseman

How is that acceptable?

 

[Edge]

Duclair is barely an NHLer, Miller and Buchnevich havent proven to be consistent top six forwards

Miller's been the better part of three years, with us and Tampa.

We can say what we want about him, but it is what it is.

Buchnevich is certainly a top 6 prospect. Chytil and Andersson are in the mix.

But I don't think there's any way to ignore trading 4 consecutive firsts in that span, 4 second round picks, and 3 third round picks.

You're talking about trading no less than 11 picks in the top 90 since Kreider.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Since 2009 WSH drafted 2 top-6 forwards and 1 top-4 defenseman
Since 2009 PIT drafted 1 top-6 forward and 1 top-4 defenseman
Since 2009 BOS drafted 2 top-6 forwards and 1 top-4 defenseman

How is that acceptable?

Because all three of those teams have won the cup since 09 and we have not.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Duclair is barely an NHLer, Miller and Buchnevich havent proven to be consistent top six forwards

Miller has had like 3 consecutive 50 point seasons.

I think thats pretty consistent.

 

[GregSirico]

That's funny we were just talking about that earlier in this thread --- Zadina slipping.

Yep. Apparently a bunch of teams are high on the C and D positions over a scoring winger.

 

[Edge]

I don't think drafting since 2005 has been the challenge.

I think trading away so many picks was the challenge. It's not just the firsts, it's the seconds and the thirds too. With that kind of approach, you have to be either exceptionally good or exceptionally lucky to find enough higher-end prospects to keep the engine going.

I think the Rangers have done a good job of recouping assets from the 2016 and 2017 drafts, but there's still going to be a gap in the pipeline. You can't move that many picks in a given window and not have there be a gap. That's also why this is an important time period for the team.

 

[Kupo]

Since 2009 the team has drafted one top six forward in Kreider. And one top four defencemen in Skjei who i'm still unsure about. How is that acceptable, thats terrible drafting.

You honestly have no idea what you’re talking about.

 

[Edge]

Yep. Apparently a bunch of teams are high on the C and D positions over a scoring winger.

Kotkaniemi and Hayton are the potential disruptors, though I'd be a little cautious about hype train surrounding them right now.

I'm curious to see if there is a run on defenseman starting at the 4 spot, which is also something we've discussed on here in the past.

You have to figure Tkachuk is likely to be in the mix as well, so now you're trying to cram two forwards into a run on defenseman.

Let's assume it Kotkaniemi goes third.

You could very well have Dobson go 4th, Hughes 5th, and Bouchard 6th.

You'd end up with Boqvist, Zadina, Tkachuk and Wahlstrom all sitting there at 7. If Hayton is indeed a target of Chicago, you're looking at 3 of the 4 being on the board at 9.

 

[GregSirico]

Kotkaniemi and Hayton are the potential disruptors, though I'd be a little cautious about hype train surrounding them right now.

I'm curious to see if there is a run on defenseman starting at the 4 spot, which is also something we've discussed on here in the past.

You have to figure Tkachuk is likely to be in the mix as well, so now you're trying to cram two forwards into a run on defenseman.

Let's assume it Kotkaniemi goes third.

You could very well have Dobson go 4th, Hughes 5th, and Bouchard 6th.

You'd end up with Boqvist, Zadina, Tkachuk and Wahlstrom all sitting there at 7. If Hayton is indeed a target of Chicago, you're looking at 3 of the 4 being on the board at 9.

That is just too wild. I can't see it. I can't envision Zadina getting past Ottawa, and I also can't see Tkachuk not getting past say Vancouver.

 

[YoSoyLalo]

Montreal: Kotkaniemi
Ottawa: Dobson
Arizona: Zadina
Detroit: Bouchard
Vancouver: Tkachuk/Hughes
Chicago: Hayton

That would be pretty ideal for the Rangers IMO.

 

[Off Sides]

Yeah, you could pick Hank in the 7th rd...

So what? That's not a frequent occurrence and then you go on to say that the NYR don't draft well... so my point stands.

Of course there are good/nice/sometimes even great players not in the top-3 or 5... but the odds are heavily there as opposed to anywhere else.

That is a two part answer for me

It would be about not worrying about being overly good next season so the lottery odds are with them

And it would be about trying to attain a sheer high quantity of picks for next draft

Two things that could go hand in hand.

Hope to get lucky, try harder to get lucky though decent scouting and just pure luck of having that many picks.

 

[CaptBagel]

Kotkaniemi and Hayton are the potential disruptors, though I'd be a little cautious about hype train surrounding them right now.

I'm curious to see if there is a run on defenseman starting at the 4 spot, which is also something we've discussed on here in the past.

You have to figure Tkachuk is likely to be in the mix as well, so now you're trying to cram two forwards into a run on defenseman.

Let's assume it Kotkaniemi goes third.

You could very well have Dobson go 4th, Hughes 5th, and Bouchard 6th.

You'd end up with Boqvist, Zadina, Tkachuk and Wahlstrom all sitting there at 7. If Hayton is indeed a target of Chicago, you're looking at 3 of the 4 being on the board at 9.

If that happens I'm trading Hayes and spooner for 10 and lucic and grabbing two of those 4

 

[Edge]

That is just too wild. I can't see it. I can't envision Zadina getting past Ottawa, and I also can't see Tkachuk not getting past say Vancouver.

I think the prevailing thought earlier was that Vancouver would take Brady because they regret passing on Matthew. While that makes for an interesting narrative, I don't know how true it is.

With that said, if Tkachuk is sitting there at 7, and Vancouver likes other players that have slipped and believe it can nab them two picks later, I thiiiiiink Gorton and Benning will be checking in with each other.

 

[Savant]

I think the prevailing thought earlier was that Vancouver would take Brady because they regret passing on Matthew. While that makes for an interesting narrative, I don't know how true it is.

With that said, if Tkachuk is sitting there at 7, and Vancouver likes other players that have slipped and believe it can nab them two picks later, I thiiiiiink Gorton and Benning will be checking in with each other.

Ugh the irony of the Rangers sweeping western Canada trip to take them out of top 6 and then having to trade up to get their guy...

 

[nyrage]

Since 2009 the team has drafted one top six forward in Kreider. And one top four defencemen in Skjei who i'm still unsure about. How is that acceptable, thats terrible drafting.

The biggest issue isn't bad drafting. The problem is we didn't have first or even second rounders in about half of that time frame. In addition, thanks to making the playoffs, we didn't have any high picks. I think Miller went 15th and Skjei was near the bottom of the first round. The one year that we bungled a top pick was McIrath...when we all screamed for Tarasenko. Still hurts.

 

[bobbop]

Chayka said on local radio he was willing to trade #7 last year because he didn't feel strongly about the players that would have been available to him. This year he is very comfortable that the Coyotes will get a premium player at #5. I got the impression listening to him is that the Coyotes may go defense because they have Hjalmarsson, Goligoski and Demers all getting older.

If the Coyotes had held the #7 pick last year, they would have taken Nick Suzuki (not from interview, learned this from contact)

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Man, wouldn't it be something if he fell to #9.

If Kotkaniemi and Hayton go in the top-8, along with Tkachuk, Dahlin and Svechnikov, that leaves 3 teams to possibly pick Zadina, Boqvist, Hughes, Dobson, Bouchard. If Kravtsov goes top-8 then the chances go up again.

I see no way he falls all the way to 9, but if Zadina falls even to below 5, that changes things immensely for us. He'd be dropping not because of anything to do with him, just GMs prioritizing D and Centers. So Zadina and Tkachuk and Wahlstrom could all drop. If we had one of them available at 9 that would be great.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Because all three of those teams have won the cup since 09 and we have not.

It just proves that the draft, outside the top-10, is a crapshoot. Tampa who has not won a Cup, drafted Hedman, Drouin, Point and Kucherov since 2009. Arguably the best draft success since 2009, but 2 of those were drafted in the top-3. That makes it a lot easier. How about Toronto?

Top-6 forwards/top-4 D-men:
Kadri (7)
Rielly (5)
Nylander (8)
Marner (4)
Matthews (1)

It's easy to bitch about the Rangers not drafting top-6 forwards or top-4 D-men but there's more to the story.

 

[Edge]

Chayka said on local radio he was willing to trade #7 last year because he didn't feel strongly about the players that would have been available to him. This year he is very comfortable that the Coyotes will get a premium player at #5. I got the impression listening to him is that the Coyotes may go defense because they have Hjalmarsson, Goligoski and Demers all getting older.

If the Coyotes had held the #7 pick last year, they would have taken Nick Suzuki (not from interview, learned this from contact)

I think there's a good possibility that if Dobson goes 4th, Hughes and Bouchard go 5th and 6th (or vice-versa).

 

[GregSirico]

Chayka said on local radio he was willing to trade #7 last year because he didn't feel strongly about the players that would have been available to him. This year he is very comfortable that the Coyotes will get a premium player at #5. I got the impression listening to him is that the Coyotes may go defense because they have Hjalmarsson, Goligoski and Demers all getting older.

If the Coyotes had held the #7 pick last year, they would have taken Nick Suzuki (not from interview, learned this from contact)

They kind of need Defense ... it makes sense to me.

 

[SnowFort]

After listening to Bob McKenzie’s podcast, I would not at all be surprised to see Boqvist fall to us.

 

[mrmel329]

On draft day, on the floor.

I agree. Gonna be a very exciting night for ranger fans with all the picks, players and possible moves during the first round.

 

[Edge]

The Rangers draft party is going to be interesting.

 

[E-Train]

After listening to Bob McKenzie’s podcast, I would not at all be surprised to see Boqvist fall to us.

Let's hope so. All the crying about, elite, elite, elite. Might fall right in their laps.