Yeah when Recchi got into the hall with nothing more than an all-star MVP as an individual award the Hall kind of got devalued to point of no return.
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AuroraBorealis
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13th all-time in points. An award means more than consistency?
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Empoleon8771
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Hajek and Pysyk invited as professional tryouts for the Penguins.
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Pysyk is a good pickup. Could take the 7/8 D spot from Ruh if hes worthy of a contract.
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Yeah I’m going to disagree with this. Recchi is top 15 in scoring in the history of the league. Remember Cam Neely is in the HOF.
Gurglesons
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Yes. At some point you should be the best at what you do. It’s a Hall of Fame.
If he’s fully back from injury, I could see a place for him over Ruh…
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Really happy with the Pysyk acquisition. That's a position that needed alternatives.
Just saying there's guys in it I'd cut before him.
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Not sure why we are singling out Recchi here. There’s worse players in the HOF. Dave Andrychuck anybody?
I'd kept meaning to bring up Pysyk as a potential 6RD option. Glad they're having a look at him. And Hajek is young enough to have a little upside. I like it.
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I like them PTOs. Just a bit sad Kiviranta didn't decide to sign one with us.
Pysyk has also played wing in the NHL.
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Pysyk has also played wing in the NHL.
Also Pysyk:
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Also re the Hall of Fame stuff -
a) Recchi got in after a bunch of guys without much individual hardware. Gilmour got in with only one Selke. Dino Ciccarelli was inducted with nothing at all. Ditto Mike Gartner. Joe Mullen was in with one All Star and two Byngs, if they even count. I'm not gonna go keep going back as I lack the ability to spot the obvious comparables by eye but I bet they keep going. Jacques Lemaire was inducted in 1984 with zero individual hardware. Being a long lived, very talented forward has been an in for a long time. Recchi didn't drop the standard. Not at all.
b) I strongly believe individual hardware shouldn't be considered the main method of working out who's in, as we are then held to some very bizarre choices as to who gets in. Let's say a forwards need to win a Hart or an Art Ross to be in - which, if we say All Star isn't enough, seems fair to me, as being an All Star right wing is probably worth more than a Selke or Byng, and the Conn Smythe is very capricious - then Brett Hull is in the Hall and Steve Yzerman isn't. That's whacky, that's a no. It's telling us Randy Carlyle should be in the Hall and Letang shouldn't - long lived Pens fans/history nerds, tell me if that sounds right to you.
c) This all assumes that a Hall of Fame is about being the very best, and not the most famous, which I don't think is necessarily so. Neither by name, nor by selection.
In the case of Mark Recchi, a guy drafted as an overager and who went on to be an All Star, Olympian, 100 point man, 22 year veteran, and three times cup winner... guy deserves to be pretty famous.
I get a lot of people think the Hall is too big. I think it contains about 3% of all NHLers to play, which strikes me as maybe too big too. But at the same time, I think we're doing the sport a disservice if we don't seek to remember the very good, the exciting, the odd stories, as well as the handful of absolutely dominant freaks and the guys lucky enough to squeeze out a trophy during their off-seasons.
a) Recchi got in after a bunch of guys without much individual hardware. Gilmour got in with only one Selke. Dino Ciccarelli was inducted with nothing at all. Ditto Mike Gartner. Joe Mullen was in with one All Star and two Byngs, if they even count. I'm not gonna go keep going back as I lack the ability to spot the obvious comparables by eye but I bet they keep going. Jacques Lemaire was inducted in 1984 with zero individual hardware. Being a long lived, very talented forward has been an in for a long time. Recchi didn't drop the standard. Not at all.
b) I strongly believe individual hardware shouldn't be considered the main method of working out who's in, as we are then held to some very bizarre choices as to who gets in. Let's say a forwards need to win a Hart or an Art Ross to be in - which, if we say All Star isn't enough, seems fair to me, as being an All Star right wing is probably worth more than a Selke or Byng, and the Conn Smythe is very capricious - then Brett Hull is in the Hall and Steve Yzerman isn't. That's whacky, that's a no. It's telling us Randy Carlyle should be in the Hall and Letang shouldn't - long lived Pens fans/history nerds, tell me if that sounds right to you.
c) This all assumes that a Hall of Fame is about being the very best, and not the most famous, which I don't think is necessarily so. Neither by name, nor by selection.
In the case of Mark Recchi, a guy drafted as an overager and who went on to be an All Star, Olympian, 100 point man, 22 year veteran, and three times cup winner... guy deserves to be pretty famous.
I get a lot of people think the Hall is too big. I think it contains about 3% of all NHLers to play, which strikes me as maybe too big too. But at the same time, I think we're doing the sport a disservice if we don't seek to remember the very good, the exciting, the odd stories, as well as the handful of absolutely dominant freaks and the guys lucky enough to squeeze out a trophy during their off-seasons.
SomeDude
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Tristan Jarry laughs in Canadian hick.I like them PTOs. Just a bit sad Kiviranta didn't decide to sign one with us.
Pysyk has also played wing in the NHL.
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He then goes on IR for strained laughing area.
tom_servo
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Not sure I agree. I turned around on this, honestly.
People often say it's the Hall of Fame, not Hall of Good. Well it's not the Hall of Absolute Greatest, either. Seems to me the Hall of Fame only suggests Fame as a standard.
I've come to think it's good for the league to include many star players in its historical quiltwork, even if they didn't claim any crowns in their time.
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I don't understand why people use awards to say someone should get in or not, when the people who vote on these awards are not actually all that smart.
Not sure how anyone could complain about Recchi though. Those counting stats mean something. Not like he was Patrick Marleau out there, where his best stat for the HHOF is games played.
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I saw a guy in Phoenix in a Francois Leroux jersey a few years back. One of those mid 90s 3rd sweaters with the horizontal stripe that fades yellow to gray. So bad it was good.
