Management Don Sweeney - Free Agent recap zoom ( 7/28/21 )

[Oates2Neely]

There is uncertainty with DeBrusk but to think his value is next to nothing after one bad year is ridiculous and amplifies why average fans would make for horrible GM's - lack of patience and knee jerk mentality. There is the possibility of DeBrusk not performing again, hence the beefing up of the third and fourth lines as they were not good enough, especially in the postseason. But if he comes in, looks good, plays good, puts up around 20-25 goals on the third line? That's a huge boost to the team, getting that sort of production from someone on the third line.

Personally, I think he's perfect trade bait for a top 4 LHD, which is what the team needs more and I think the Bruins set themselves up for that as an option.

Left D? Umm Grzelcyk Forbort Reilly Moore Vaakaneinen Zboril say hello.

They just signed Forbort & Reilly to 3m per contracts. I don’t see them adding another quality left D

 

[chrisab123]

So you are completely disregarding the effect of the Covid season on Debrusk. OK.

Prorated last season for Debrusk translates to 10 goals this season.

We shall see if he gets closer to 10 or 20.

Huge difference between a guy getting 10-15 goals and saying that it was covid. There were a lot of players that scored more goals than DeBrusk last year. I'm sure the covid thing didn't help but you can't use that as a scape goat for his terrible season.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Ya, it's a gamble. If he comes back and has a 50 point season it's a huge win. If he ends up with 5 goals and 10 assists and a poor +/- he won't be worth a half a bag of pucks.

True. What’s DeBrusk worth today? A 3rd? If he sucks this season, what’s he worth at the trade deadline? A 3rd/ 4th? Hanging onto him is the smart play here. Unless of course they suddenly find themselves needing to free up cap space

 

[chrisab123]

Ya, it's a gamble. If he comes back and has a 50 point season it's a huge win. If he ends up with 5 goals and 10 assists and a poor +/- he won't be worth a half a bag of pucks.

If he pulls a 50 point season out of his ass I'll be pleasantly surprised.

 

[inactive user]

If he ends up with 5 goals and 10 assists and a poor +/- he won't be worth a half a bag of pucks.

There’s no chance of that happening.

 

[ODAAT]

Why is DeBrusk still here?

guessing not a ton of a market out there for him at this point

 

[inactive user]

guessing not a ton of a market out there for him at this point

Or Sweeney isn’t shopping him. Hopefully he isn’t.

 

[PB37]

Just wondering because I can be obtuse, how did they set themselves up for getting a 4LHD? And why a 4LHD? I mean if that's what they want there are multiple options in house so I'm lost here.

What I'm looking at is mainly DeBrusk's contract, which should fall in line with what a top 4 LHD would make ( Ekholm currently ).

I think the way the D is constructed, Grz is the odd duck. We'll have to move Forbort around to compensate for the lack of Grz's size in certain situations and while that could work, I'd prefer a guy who, combined with McAvoy, you can count on in all 5v5 situations and keep Forbort down in the bottom pairing.

 

[ODAAT]

Or Sweeney isn’t shopping him. Hopefully he isn’t.

My opinion on Jake is pretty well known, not a fan of a guy who can bring so much more than we`ve seen. Not that he`s a 40 goal guy but this is a guy who has played close to 250 games, not a kid anymore, that effort on a consistent basis should be there by now

 

[PB37]

Left D? Umm Grzelcyk Forbort Reilly Moore Vaakaneinen Zboril say hello.

They just signed Forbort & Reilly to 3m per contracts. I don’t see them adding another quality left D

I'd like to see them upgrade Grz's spot by packaging he and DeBrusk for a guy like Ekholm.

 

[Gordoff]

Or Sweeney isn’t shopping him. Hopefully he isn’t.

Some here have mentioned that the Bruins have tried shopping him a couple times. Latest being at the TDL. No takers. So yeah, when a real estate agent sees a house on the market for too long they realize to take it off the market because it's "stale." Well, IMO Jake is "stale" on the market and the return is now in the shitter. It's too bad.

 

[Gordoff]

What I'm looking at is mainly DeBrusk's contract, which should fall in line with what a top 4 LHD would make ( Ekholm currently ).

I think the way the D is constructed, Grz is the odd duck. We'll have to move Forbort around to compensate for the lack of Grz's size in certain situations and while that could work, I'd prefer a guy who, combined with McAvoy, you can count on in all 5v5 situations and keep Forbort down in the bottom pairing.

Okay, I follow now. Thanks!

 

[Son of Donegal]

JDB wasn't the only Bruin forward who underperformed last year. Charlie Coyle was a stiff. It was actually a relief when his injury was announced. The success of the Bruins probably hinges more on these two guys than on any other players.

If Coyle comes back to 100% and plays like he did in the 2019 postseason and JDB comes in with his hair on fire, then it opens up A LOT of utilization options. Common sense leads one to believe that Charlie would center the 2nd line...and Hall is a sure fire bet for that wing. But does Smith stay at 2RW? If he does, then a third line of JDB - Haul - Foligno looks solid (speed to burn with JDB and Haula, big body of Foligno). my only issue there is 3 left shot forwards on the same line.

Or do they convert Coyle to a RW and bump Smith to the 3RW?

Which option do you prefer?

Perfection
Hall - Coyle - Smith
JDB - Haula - Foligno
Nosek - Freddy - Lazar

Perfection
Hall - Haula- Coyle
JDB - Foligno - Smith
Nosek - Freddy - Lazar

Or another possible option?

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Huge difference between a guy getting 10-15 goals and saying that it was covid. There were a lot of players that scored more goals than DeBrusk last year. I'm sure the covid thing didn't help but you can't use that as a scape goat for his terrible season.

But we know for a fact that Debrusk was affected adversely in a big way by covid. Thinking his game fell off a cliff as a natural progression in his career is clearly unfair.

Like I said, we shall what Jake does this year.

 

[The don godfather]

JDB wasn't the only Bruin forward who underperformed last year. Charlie Coyle was a stiff. It was actually a relief when his injury was announced. The success of the Bruins probably hinges more on these two guys than on any other players.

If Coyle comes back to 100% and plays like he did in the 2019 postseason and JDB comes in with his hair on fire, then it opens up A LOT of utilization options. Common sense leads one to believe that Charlie would center the 2nd line...and Hall is a sure fire bet for that wing. But does Smith stay at 2RW? If he does, then a third line of JDB - Haul - Foligno looks solid (speed to burn with JDB and Haula, big body of Foligno). my only issue there is 3 left shot forwards on the same line.

Or do they convert Coyle to a RW and bump Smith to the 3RW?

Which option do you prefer?

Perfection
Hall - Coyle - Smith
JDB - Haula - Foligno
Nosek - Freddy - Lazar

Perfection
Hall - Haula- Coyle
JDB - Foligno - Smith
Nosek - Freddy - Lazar

Or another possible option?

Where is stud ?

 

[chrisab123]

But we know for a fact that Debrusk was affected adversely in a big way by covid. Thinking his game fell off a cliff as a natural progression in his career is clearly unfair.

Like I said, we shall what Jake does this year.

We'll agree to disagree on him. He scored 5 goals last year and clearly other players were able to score in double digits. At some point you have to put blame on the player.

 

[LouJersey]

True. What’s DeBrusk worth today? A 3rd? If he sucks this season, what’s he worth at the trade deadline? A 3rd/ 4th? Hanging onto him is the smart play here. Unless of course they suddenly find themselves needing to free up cap space

Josh Anderson was worth Domi after his lost season w major injury...Only takes one GM.

 

[The don godfather]

We'll agree to disagree on him. He scored 5 goals last year and clearly other players were able to score in double digits. At some point you have to put blame on the player.

Bump him on 2nd line or 1st line then i see a big year with haula or noesak meh.

 

[JerseyBruin]

We'll agree to disagree on him. He scored 5 goals last year and clearly other players were able to score in double digits. At some point you have to put blame on the player.

So what you are sayin is that all players are the same and they all were impacted by Covid in the same exact way. I know personally of a few people who suffered some severe mental issues/depression due to covid, not everyone is wired the same way and do not handle stressors the same way. To simply dismiss Jake's claim that Covid had a negative impact on him is a rather cavalier stance to take.

 

[Gordoff]

Josh Anderson was worth Domi after his lost season w major injury...Only takes one GM.

Anderson IMO always had a bit of an edge. Jake on the other hand had his edge removed by Kadri.

 

[chrisab123]

So what you are sayin is that all players are the same and they all were impacted by Covid in the same exact way. I know personally of a few people who suffered some severe mental issues/depression due to covid, not everyone is wired the same way and do not handle stressors the same way. To simply dismiss Jake's claim that Covid had a negative impact on him is a rather cavalier stance to take.

Im saying 5 goals is 5 goals. Im sure he was not the only person in the league to get covid. At some point he needs to take responsibility for his play falling off a cliff.

We already have the Kadri hit being an excuse on top of covid when in reality this is a kid who has had his point totals go down yearly. I'm not down playing COVID at all but to solely pin it on COVID is not correct.

If he does lousy next year will we finally get people to admit that JDB is not that great of a player?

Also, if this was solely a COVID issue I'm sure that Sweeney would have laid off the 3rd line wingers. Its an easy out for him if the guy was recovering from a bad illness.

 

[BadBruins]

Im saying 5 goals is 5 goals. Im sure he was not the only person in the league to get covid. At some point he needs to take responsibility for his play falling off a cliff.

We already have the Kadri hit being an excuse on top of covid when in reality this is a kid who has had his point totals go down yearly. I'm not down playing COVID at all but to solely pin it on COVID is not correct.

If he does lousy next year will we finally get people to admit that JDB is not that great of a player?

Also, if this was solely a COVID issue I'm sure that Sweeney would have laid off the 3rd line wingers. Its an easy out for him if the guy was recovering from a bad illness.

I think DeBrusk is ultimately responsible for his own inconsistency (which was still a thing even when he scored 27 goals in 68 games). I think it's a bit shortsighted to look at his 5 goals in a covid shortened season and conclude this is what he is at age 24.

First 203 NHL Games:

62 goals
460 shots (2.26/ per game)
13.5 SH%

Last 41 NHL Games:

5 goals
92 shots (2.24/ per game)
5.5 SH%

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Im saying 5 goals is 5 goals. Im sure he was not the only person in the league to get covid. At some point he needs to take responsibility for his play falling off a cliff.

We already have the Kadri hit being an excuse on top of covid when in reality this is a kid who has had his point totals go down yearly. I'm not down playing COVID at all but to solely pin it on COVID is not correct.

If he does lousy next year will we finally get people to admit that JDB is not that great of a player?

Also, if this was solely a COVID issue I'm sure that Sweeney would have laid off the 3rd line wingers. Its an easy out for him if the guy was recovering from a bad illness.

I agree, Debrusk is not that great of a player.

Even if he does score 20 goals. He has a lot of improvements to make.

But he's not a 5 goal scorer.

 

[nORRis8]

There's no market value in Debrusk due to Bruce voicing his frustration with him all year plus the year before.
He tried him everywhere except net and on defence.

 

[LouJersey]

But we know for a fact that Debrusk was affected adversely in a big way by covid. Thinking his game fell off a cliff as a natural progression in his career is clearly unfair.

Like I said, we shall what Jake does this year.

Same thing happened to Frederic from his early season burst, free pass. For some reason Jake's illness and mental state were intolerable to some for whatever reason. Yeah he sulked, maybe said some dumb things, but to ditch him for nothing doesn't really make much sense.