Friedman: Doesn’t see Taylor Hall returning 1st Round Pick

[CREW99AW]

I'd like to read that piece. Any link?

Here is the link. It's not an article on just Lou, but a look around the league.

NHL’s TV deal with ESPN comes down to one thing

Not so much this season, when it all has all gone wrong in Buffalo, but even when Taylor Hall was having his Hart Trophy season in New Jersey 14 years ago (What’s that? It was just three years ago?), there were folks all over the league talking about how the winger was a “me” guy in a “we” sport.
So would the Islanders, the Ultimate We Team run by the Ultimate We Guys, Lou Lamoriello and Barry Trotz, dare attempt to bring Hall into the mix as a rental at the trade deadline if the injury to Anders Lee is as serious as might appear?
Here is the rule about Lamoriello: There are no rules.
When you think you know what he is going to do, you don’t.

 

[CREW99AW]

Everyone keep in mind BARCLAY GOODROW returned a first.

Wasn't that because he was under team control for 1 more season, at a team friendly contract and TB was facing cap hell?

 

[CREW99AW]

LL acquired Kovalchuk, Mogilny, and another player who didn't have a sterling reputation as a team player at the time he was acquired - Jeff Friesen. In all cases, he had enough on the team that could make those players fit, at least for short periods of time.

I am less concerned with any rep Hall has, then I am with his crappy 2020-2021 season. Hall has 2 goals in 30+ games. 2 goals. He has played most of the season on a line with a franchise center.I don't want to use a 1st on a struggling Hall.

Btw, I expect the isles to move some combo of their 1st+ 2nd+ Bellows for a rental at the TDL and a cap dump this offseason. Bellows doesn't show the upside of Wally, but shows more offensive upside then MDC. Isles don't seem to have a lot of faith in him.

 

[Team Cozens]

Sabres need another goalie prospect in the system. Would trade Hall ~ 50% to Boston for Vladar or Swayman

 

[covfefe]

Wasn't that because he was under team control for 1 more season, at a team friendly contract and TB was facing cap hell?

Hey man - this is the trade board. Get out of here with that context and logical thought.

 

[CREW99AW]

Hey man - this is the trade board. Get out of here with that context and logical thought.

I was forced to read thru Larry Brooks articles in my search. I deserve a break

 

[ZenOil]

I remember when articles like this came out: Taylor Hall Considering Signing One-Year Deal With Contender

Then he signs with Buffalo. That speaks volumes as even though Buffalo was less of a dumpster fire then than they are now, they weren't considered remotely a contender.

Dude, made his own bed. Sure, there could be a team that's willing to pay a first for 20ish games of Taylor Hall, but I think it's on reputation only at this point. At that price point, many teams are looking elsewhere.

you can buy a pretty nice bed with 8 million a season

 

[FeatherHead]

Hall wouldn’t return a nose pick at this point.

 

[bolt thrower]

The guy sucks, everything more than a 3rd is an overpayment. Does this guy even win a board battle?

 

[Jerkbait]

You know it !!

 

[elitepete]

He carried a bad Devils team to the playoffs.

I think the whole "he's not a winner" thing is completely overblown. He's played on the Oilers, Sabres, Devils, and Coyotes. The teams that he's played on are the issue, not his play.

You could argue he doesn’t play winning hockey despite putting up points. He’s kind of a puck hog, and a below average defender (even bad sometimes).

 

[Didalee Hed]

Taylor hall is a loser player

he’s like Kirk cousins the loser qb

 

[Daz28]

Yeah ,Hall still has some cache to at least get a late first ...Come on now

I would think he could get a late 1st, too. Might have to take back some salary, though.

 

[Sabreality]

I would think he could get a late 1st, too. Might have to take back some salary, though.

yeah I'd say at least 30% retention is a given.

 

[saintunspecified]

I am less concerned with any rep Hall has, then I am with his crappy 2020-2021 season. Hall has 2 goals in 30+ games. 2 goals. He has played most of the season on a line with a franchise center.I don't want to use a 1st on a struggling Hall.

You can't tell me that Eichel, even before the injury that put him out, looked anything like Eichel tho.

Btw, I expect the isles to move some combo of their 1st+ 2nd+ Bellows for a rental at the TDL and a cap dump this offseason. Bellows doesn't show the upside of Wally, but shows more offensive upside then MDC. Isles don't seem to have a lot of faith in him.

Maybe. I don't think they're too stressed about setting themselves up for the expansion draft and next year yet.

 

[Human]

I don’t know, I remember users in here saying that you can’t win with Phil Kessel, and he returned a first plus... My point is he could be the right fit for the right team.

 

[TheFinalWord]

yeah I'd say at least 30% retention is a given.

How many contending teams could afford to add him at 30% retention? Even 50% retention will probably require some money going back. Or, it will limit the potential return, because the list of bidders would be smaller.

Buffalo should be willing to eat 50% and take on any bad contracts they can as a means of trying to gain picks/prospects. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they probably aren't cup contenders this year.

 

[DropTheGloves]

I don’t know, I remember users in here saying that you can’t win with Phil Kessel, and he returned a first plus... My point is he could be the right fit for the right team.

Kessel had multiple years of control though, which seems to be the case for pretty much every "comp" thrown out that returned a 1st or more. It might be different if Hall was having a good season by his standards, but he's playing at replacement level right now and that no doubt impacts his value substantially.

 

[Chardo]

If you're a contender looking for that one piece to put you over the top, you're probably not looking for a guy with 14 playoff games in 11 years.

 

[grapes55]

That does sound nice. Matchup a 4th line against them and keep the puck in the corners and no points happen.

Lol

I don’t know, I remember users in here saying that you can’t win with Phil Kessel, and he returned a first plus... My point is he could be the right fit for the right team.

Leafs also had to give back a second and retain in that deal.

I would do a second plus a prospect or the leafs first rounder for Hall and then pay a mid round pick to another team to retain on him. He has a ridiculously low shooting percentage and I think it's worth the gamble that he bounces back

 

[Djp]

If you're a contender looking for that one piece to put you over the top, you're probably not looking for a guy with 14 playoff games in 11 years.

You saying you would trade for McDavid because of the small number of playoff games.....

 

[periferal]

Taylor hall is a loser player

he’s like Kirk cousins the loser qb

Ax grinding 101.

 

[periferal]

If you're a contender looking for that one piece to put you over the top, you're probably not looking for a guy with 14 playoff games in 11 years.

There's something "off" about Hall so your point is taken. Of course others will argue that the Oilers/Devils teams he played on were not that talented and/or mismanaged.

Another way to consider it is...If Hall played on the Lightning the past decade would they have been a worse team? Would Yzerman ave not liked Hall's "makeup" and shipped him out the way he did with Drouin?

 

[Oilslick941611]

Nope Hall had many poor seasons in EDM and no surprise his best year was outside pf them.

RNH was viewed as a future PPG+ C and arguably his best year was his rookie season before the Edmonton stink got on him.

I think it's more likely EDM had no idea how to develop players for like 7 years rather than everyone they drafted just happened to be bad

Sink or swim. It didn’t work.

True, but a lot of the players they drafted (RNH, Yakupov, Hall, Puljujarvi) had undeniable talent but the stink of EDM's like 7 year run that rivaled Buffalos sad franchise ruined what those players COULD have been. Edmonton and Buffalo are the perfect example of what a toxic environment can do and I'm glad for the NHL's sake that it seems like Edmonton has finally figured it out

Yak couldn’t skate. I have no idea why he was picked at 1st. Edmonton scouting team didn’t want him at first. Word is ownership intervened.

 

[periferal]

I don’t know, I remember users in here saying that you can’t win with Phil Kessel, and he returned a first plus... My point is he could be the right fit for the right team.

I think your point is...All it takes is 1 GM to "overpay" for a player and anything can happen. That is surely the case, but with Hall given his cap hit, questions about his game, his current play, the overall state of teams who need scoring help, and the lack of cap space available overall, there's going to be a lot less teams in on him which reduces the idea of finding that "1 GM" to overpay.