Does McDavid match Ovi's peak with another awards sweep?

[Filthy Dangles]

Yeah sure, as long as we ignore facts like Ovechkin's third season being the best goal scoring campaign since Mario in '95-96.

I'm not saying anyone was better. just pointing out the fact that the points are basically the same after someone called McDavid an 85 point player

 

[Midnight Judges]

Yeah, let's just ignore the fact that McDavid averaged 100 pts per 82 games..

Thanks for sharing your imagination with us.

Here in real life McDavid didn't play 82 games per season. It's kind of an important detail.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Yeah sure, as long as we ignore facts like Ovechkin's third season being the best goal scoring campaign since Mario in '95-96.

Actually Ovechkin's is better than Lemieux's, but whatever.

 

[Midnight Judges]

League average scoring in Mcdavids first 3 years = (2.97 + 2.77 + 2.71 / 3) == 2.82 GPG.

League average scoring in Ovechkin's first 3 years = (3.08 + 2.95 + 2.78 / 3) == 2.96 PG.

McDavid's pace over his first 3 (2 1/2) years is 100 points.

(100 / 2.82) * 2.96 == 105 points.

Ovechkin's pace over his first 3 years == 104 points.

McDavid wins ever so slightly in terms of adjusted points.

Sort of yes, but McDavid played his fewest games in the season with the lowest scoring. You didn't factor that in.

You gotta do:

(45 games * 2.71) + (82 games * 2.77) + (82 games *2.97) / 209 games = 2.83555 GPG over McDavid's first 3 seasons.

Then do the same equation for Ovechkin = 2.936082

This means scoring was 3.5454% higher for Ovechkin's years.

Multiply all McDavid's point totals by 1.035454 and you come to:

McDavid
209 games played
265 points (1.267 PPG)
90 goals (.431 GPG)
72 secondary assists
.92 Primary PPG

Ovechkin
245 games played
310 points (1.265 PPG)
163 goals (.665 GPG)
43 Secondary assists
1.09 Primary PPG

So Riddum would trade away a far higher GPG, and far higher primary PPG, way more physical play, 36 extra games played by a superstar, and downgrade to McDavid's terrible faceoff percentages - in order to get that two one thousandths of a PPG back. Because trophies.

This is not a winning argument for McDavid.

 

[Hippasus]

I don't watch McDavid play. Is he playing run and gun hockey ? If so, he sure will get a lot of individual awards without team success.

The Oilers definitely didn't play run-and-gun for either of McDavid's Art Rosses.

 

[Future GOAT]

People think smaller players can't hit because they don't understand physics.. Force = Mass × Acceleration. A player like Barzal could smoke someone hard assuming they skate fast, which he does. Mcdavid might be smaller then the guys at 230lbs, but if he is moving 1.35x their speed, he could do more damage.

Exactly. Also IIRC that hit was the one that separated Donskoi's shoulder. McDavid has a little mean streak in him and has shown he has a solid and clean checking technique when he decides he wants to hit someone. Would be nice to see him throw the body more often.

 

[daver]

Thanks for sharing your imagination with us.

Here in real life McDavid didn't play 82 games per season. It's kind of an important detail.

Just like you imagine OV would have had more team success if he played on another team right?

 

[412 Others]

Hopefully, for McDavid's sake, his play won't decline so much so quickly that his fans will have to use a peak term that's on par with an NFL running back.

 

[Laineux]

Hopefully, for McDavid's sake, his play won't decline so much so quickly that his fans will have to use a peak term that's on par with an NFL running back.

It would still be longer than Crosby's 40 game peak

 

[Hippasus]

McDavid was injured in his only playoffs, so we have yet to see what he can do on a 2+round run without being injured. Ovechkin was a much better PP producer in his three year peak. Without a strong shooting presence on the Oilers PP, I think McDavid would be hard-pressed to match Ovechkin. McDavid is more reliant on his speed for his production and is thus a better even strength player than he is a PP player to this point in his career.

 

[daver]

McDavid was injured in his only playoffs, so we have yet to see what he can do on a 2+round run without being injured. Ovechkin was a much better PP producer in his three year peak. Without a strong shooting presence on the Oilers PP, I think McDavid would be hard-pressed to match Ovechkin. McDavid is more reliant on his speed for his production and is thus a better even strength player than he is a PP player to this point in his career.

No he wasn't.

 

[daver]

Hopefully, for McDavid's sake, his play won't decline so much so quickly that his fans will have to use a peak term that's on par with an NFL running back.

OV's three year "peak" gets overrated. His 07/08 season was arguably the best of the era, his 08/09 was very good, but arguably was not even the best season that year, and his 09/10 level of play was among the best of the era but he missed games that year which throws a wrench into the "only raw points count" argument that some argue vehemently for.

If one wants to examine the best three consecutive years, then OV's 07-10 is among the best of all-time among the non Big Four crowd, and the best multi-year run since Jagr's four Art Rosses.

Another solid Art Ross win by McDavid will not match OV in terms of offensive contribution and/or level of play. He needs to take it up a level.

 

[daver]

It would still be longer than Crosby's 40 game peak

Good thing he has played closer to his peak than any other player for almost all of his other games.

 

[Midnight Judges]

...his 08/09 was very good, but arguably was not even the best season that year...

If Ovechkin's 08-09 was merely "very good," then Crosby has never had a very good season.

 

[daver]

If Ovechkin's 08-09 was merely "very good," then Crosby has never had a very good season.

If it's any consolation, his 50 goal firedance was GOAT.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Equally electric.

Whats the word for that?

Equilocution?
Egalatron?

 

[Hippasus]

No he wasn't.

I watched that run and he was. IIRC it was a ribs injury which he played through and was affecting his speed.

 

[THall4]

All I know is the league will see an even more motivated Connor McDavid...one who's out to make a point...who will be out to prove people wrong.

 

[Future GOAT]

I watched that run and he was. IIRC it was a ribs injury which he played through and was affecting his speed.

People suspected it and he was asked by the media about it as he did seem like something was physically bothering him but he wouldn't admit anything so who knows. Maybe he was and maybe he wasn't.

 

[LegendaryNumber5]

Sort of yes, but McDavid played his fewest games in the season with the lowest scoring. You didn't factor that in.

You gotta do:

(45 games * 2.71) + (82 games * 2.77) + (82 games *2.97) / 209 games = 2.83555 GPG over McDavid's first 3 seasons.

Then do the same equation for Ovechkin = 2.936082

This means scoring was 3.5454% higher for Ovechkin's years.

Multiply all McDavid's point totals by 1.035454 and you come to:

McDavid
209 games played
265 points (1.267 PPG)
90 goals (.431 GPG)
72 secondary assists
.92 Primary PPG

Ovechkin
245 games played
310 points (1.265 PPG)
163 goals (.665 GPG)
43 Secondary assists
1.09 Primary PPG

So Riddum would trade away a far higher GPG, and far higher primary PPG, way more physical play, 36 extra games played by a superstar, and downgrade to McDavid's terrible faceoff percentages - in order to get that two one thousandths of a PPG back. Because trophies.

This is not a winning argument for McDavid.

 

[Midnight Judges]

All I know is the league will see an even more motivated Connor McDavid...one who's out to make a point...who will be out to prove people wrong.

Was McDavid suffering from insufficient motivation this season?

 

[tacogeoff]

Sort of yes, but McDavid played his fewest games in the season with the lowest scoring. You didn't factor that in.

You gotta do:

(45 games * 2.71) + (82 games * 2.77) + (82 games *2.97) / 209 games = 2.83555 GPG over McDavid's first 3 seasons.

Then do the same equation for Ovechkin = 2.936082

This means scoring was 3.5454% higher for Ovechkin's years.

Multiply all McDavid's point totals by 1.035454 and you come to:

McDavid
209 games played
265 points (1.267 PPG)
90 goals (.431 GPG)
72 secondary assists
.92 Primary PPG

Ovechkin
245 games played
310 points (1.265 PPG)
163 goals (.665 GPG)
43 Secondary assists
1.09 Primary PPG

So Riddum would trade away a far higher GPG, and far higher primary PPG, way more physical play, 36 extra games played by a superstar, and downgrade to McDavid's terrible faceoff percentages - in order to get that two one thousandths of a PPG back. Because trophies.

This is not a winning argument for McDavid.

well done

 

[Riddum]

Thanks for sharing your imagination with us.

Here in real life McDavid didn't play 82 games per season. It's kind of an important detail.

McDavid got 2 Art Ross in 3 years. Ovi, 1 in 13. McDavid>Ovi

 

[Captain Controversy]

If mcdavid figures it out, he could score 100 goals.
just ask jagr.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

No he wasn't.

He sure was, doesn’t matter he still needs to be better, and he will be better