Does McDavid match Ovi's peak with another awards sweep?

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Is that Evander Kane in your avatar ?

Yes. He posted that photo on Instagram.

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

I truly believe that hundreds of Capitals fans will have heart attacks, later in life, solely due to secondary assists.

I’ve never seen a fan base argue against something so adamantly before.

 

[412 Others]

I truly believe that hundreds of Capitals fans will have heart attacks, later in life, solely due to secondary assists.

I’ve never seen a fan base argue against something so adamantly before.

If the same players consistently accumulate secondary assists, does that not debunk the claim that they're completely 'arbitrary'? What's funny to me is - How does a player intentionally accumulate secondary assists? Wouldn't it be easier to just shoot the **** puck in the net instead of using telepathy on the primary assist guy? The more I talk through this the more I am now convinced that secondary assists should carry MORE weight than goals. The guy racking up the secondary assists is playing chess out there.

 

[Midnight Judges]

If the same players consistently accumulate secondary assists, does that not debunk the claim that they're completely 'arbitrary'?

No.

But they don't anyway.

Crosby's secondary assist totals have varied by 100% over the past 5 seasons (from 17 to 34) despite him being a pretty consistent player.

Jagr's secondary assist totals also varied by huge percentages during his peak.

Read this article if you would truly like to understand:

Simplify scoring: drop the pointless secondary assist

 

[PenguinSpeed]

If you are going to harp on McDavid’s playoff performance for being horrific based on nothing other than stats, then you MUST hold Crosby’s 2016 run to the same standard. Statistically, McDavid’s playoff performance was essentially equal to Crosby’s. Crosby’s “dominance in the finals” is generally cited as the primary reason he received the Smythe over Kessel, but as Shark fan whose team played against both players, I find that McDavid was much more “dominant” on a shift to shift basis.

-I dont know about you, but Crosby having 3 game winning goals to either Phil Kessels and Connor Mcdavids combined 0 game winning goals in those playoffs may have something to do with it. It also has something to do with it the Metro has been far and large the most dominant division in ice hockey the last 3 years and counting and the Pacific division has been a trainwreck division

 

[Riddum]

When comparing their first four/five years it does.

Obviously for McDavid we still have one/two to go but I would bet the outcome comes out in Ovechkin's favor.

McDavid's first 3 years>Ovi's first 3 years

 

[Sam Spade]

McDavid's first 3 years>Ovi's first 3 years

 

[Midnight Judges]

McDavid's first 3 years>Ovi's first 3 years

Nope.

 

[Fantomas]

Nope.

Yeah and not terribly close, aside from the sophomore seasons. In their first three seasons:

Ovechkin adjusted goals created: 43, 39, 53
McDavid adjusted goals created: 20, 39, 41

By offensive point shares:

Ovechkin: 11, 9.6, 14.1
McDavid: 4.8, 9.7, 10.5

And we can't say McDavid has any edge defensively.

 

[mrv52]

McDavid's first 3 years>Ovi's first 3 years

lil john gif

 

[Brock Radunske]

Hmmm, you're missing one large trophy but I can't seem to put my finger on the name...

 

[Fallschirmyager]

Hmmm, you're missing one large trophy but I can't seem to put my finger on the name...

 

[Riddum]

Nope.

lil john gif

What's wrong with you guys?

Ovechking first 3 years:
1 Calder
1Art Ross
1 Hart
1 Rocket
1 Ted Lindsay

McDavid:
2 Art Ross
1 Hart
2 Ted Lindsay

McDavid and it's not even close. McDavid would have averaged 135 points a season, 10 years ago.

During the first 3 years, Ovi has never been the only guy to score 100pts in a season. Ovi has never beaten his closest Art Ross contender by over 10 pts. And Ovi was absolutely brutal defensively back then, while McDavid already has excellent defensive positioning.

Barring injuries, McDavid simply has no rivals in terms of offense in this league. McDavid has to be compared to guys like Jagr, Lemieux and Gretzky, something we know Sid and Ovi aren't even remotely close to.

So yeah, McDavid first 3 years >Ovi's first 3.

 

[Dzonna]

No he doesn’t

 

[Fantomas]

What's wrong with you guys?

Ovechking first 3 years:
1 Calder
1Art Ross
1 Hart
1 Rocket
1 Ted Lindsay

McDavid:
2 Art Ross
1 Hart
2 Ted Lindsay

McDavid and it's not even close. McDavid would have averaged 135 points a season, 10 years ago.

During the first 3 years, Ovi has never been the only guy to score 100pts in a season. Ovi has never beaten his closest Art Ross contender by over 10 pts. And Ovi was absolutely brutal defensively back then, while McDavid already has excellent defensive positioning.

Barring injuries, McDavid simply has no rivals in terms of offense in this league. McDavid has to be compared to guys like Jagr, Lemieux and Gretzky, something we know Sid and Ovi aren't even remotely close to.

So yeah, McDavid first 3 years >Ovi's first 3.

I don't think so, Tim.

 

[TRASHCAT]

Ovechkin in his prime was a physical scoring winger who could out PPG any center in the game while scoring 20+ more goals than them.

 

[Sam Spade]

I truly believe that hundreds of Capitals fans will have heart attacks, later in life, solely due to secondary assists.

I’ve never seen a fan base argue against something so adamantly before.

I'm pretty sure most Capitals fans don't give a crap about anything anymore after last season.

As to the bolded, you are aware of a poster here named daver right?

 

[Midnight Judges]

What's wrong with you guys?

McDavid would have averaged 135 points a season, 10 years ago.

McDavid has averaged 85 points through his first 3 seasons, and this converts to 135 points 10 years ago. Wow I didn't realize how much the game had changed!

Thanks for setting us straight.

League wide scoring was 2.78 GPG 10 years ago and 2.97 this season. Yes indeed I can see your point.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

McDavid has averaged 85 points through his first 3 seasons,

His pace over his career is 100 points....why on Earth would you use average when he missed half a season....you know better than this too

 

[Riddum]

I don't think so, Tim.

I think so, Bob.

 

[Fantomas]

I think so, Bob.

No, no. It's Al.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

League average scoring in Mcdavids first 3 years = (2.97 + 2.77 + 2.71 / 3) == 2.82 GPG.

League average scoring in Ovechkin's first 3 years = (3.08 + 2.95 + 2.78 / 3) == 2.96 PG.

McDavid's pace over his first 3 (2 1/2) years is 100 points.

(100 / 2.82) * 2.96 == 105 points.

Ovechkin's pace over his first 3 years == 104 points.

McDavid wins ever so slightly in terms of adjusted points.

 

[Riddum]

McDavid has averaged 85 points through his first 3 seasons, and this converts to 135 points 10 years ago. Wow I didn't realize how much the game had changed!

Thanks for setting us straight.

League wide scoring was 2.78 GPG 10 years ago and 2.97 this season. Yes indeed I can see your point.

Let's look at league scoring for each of these guys' first 3 years:
Ovi:
3.08
2.95
2.78

McGoat:
2.71
2.77
2.97

Yeah, let's just ignore the fact that McDavid averaged 100 pts per 82 games, in a lower scoring era and Ovi averaged 103 pts in a much higher scoring era.

McDavid already has one more Lindsay than Ovi in that span and 1 more Art Ross. McDavid has the advantage. With his 2 Art Ross in a row, McGoat is already the most dominant player since Jagr and he hasn't probably hasn't even reached his peak yet.

 

[Fantomas]

League average scoring in Mcdavids first 3 years = (2.97 + 2.77 + 2.71 / 3) == 2.82 GPG.

League average scoring in Ovechkin's first 3 years = (3.08 + 2.95 + 2.78 / 3) == 2.96 PG.

McDavid's pace over his first 3 (2 1/2) years is 100 points.

(100 / 2.82) * 2.96 == 105 points.

Ovechkin's pace over his first 3 years == 104 points.

McDavid wins ever so slightly in terms of adjusted points.

Yeah sure, as long as we ignore facts like Ovechkin's third season being the best goal scoring campaign since Mario in '95-96.

 

[Fantomas]

Yeah and not terribly close, aside from the sophomore seasons. In their first three seasons:

Ovechkin adjusted goals created: 43, 39, 53
McDavid adjusted goals created: 20, 39, 41

By offensive point shares:

Ovechkin: 11, 9.6, 14.1
McDavid: 4.8, 9.7, 10.5

And we can't say McDavid has any edge defensively.

Not close.