Speculation: Does Engvall deserve to be on the Leafs?

[TMLAM34]

He's one of our better defensive winger options. As it stands he's needed for our shutdown line.

3rd line right now would be Engvall/Kampf/Mikheyev

Kerfoot - Kampf - Mikheyev would be a way better 3rd line. Bunting on the second and with Engvall traded and the open cap space we can use towards a winger to play with Matthews.

 

[fahad203]

This guy is 6'5 , played 13 minutes in a game 7 and didn't throw a single hit?

I'm surprised he's still on the roster.

Engvall was a direct result of 2 goals that line scored

He actually took a hit to make a play that led to a goal( He didn't get an assist) , second he made the pass that led to a goal

I don't have a problem. He still hasn't played more than 100 games in NHL and somehow without playing with good players, without getting any PP he has put up 27 points in 90 games

Not throwing a hit? even the guys who were supposed to throw hits didn't throw hits ( Looking at you Simmonds)

That's more to do with the Leafs less to do with him

I say give him 20-30 games in 4th line. I do not question his confidence, he can really carry the puck

 

[Dreakmur]

He’s a fine 4th player, but 4th line players should fill needs. We need something different.

 

[Ashdown2]

hes a tyical 3rd/4th line player. great defensively limited offensively ....

what in the world are people expecting bottom 6 players to do ?
you want a bunch of travis boyds out there ? sure they will score but for every 5 goals they score then will let in 20.


engvall - kampf - mik ... will be an insanly good shutdown tandem.

 

[fahad203]

hes a tyical 3rd/4th line player. great defensively limited offensively ....

what in the world are people expecting bottom 6 players to do ?
you want a bunch of travis boyds out there ? sure they will score but for every 5 goals they score then will let in 20.


engvall - kampf - mik ... will be an insanly good shutdown tandem.

I am sorry to say but this shut down crap needs to stop. That's like the softest line I have ever seen and I am a leafs fan I have seen soft lines
Are you goign to have a shut down line against McDavid who plays 24 mins a game? When will our stars play?

Our star line should be our shut down line, they should be holding on to the puck so other teams dont' get chances. Other teams should have to worry about our guys than other way around

Get a hitting line. That's more effective to have more than anything.
Martin Czek line was effective. Very effective
Goodrow line was a good hitting line
Eaves line was very effective in hitting and causing turn overs. They ruined Girard's confidence

 

[Ashdown2]

I am sorry to say but this shut down crap needs to stop. That's like the softest line I have ever seen and I am a leafs fan I have seen soft lines
Are you goign to have a shut down line against McDavid who plays 24 mins a game? When will our stars play?

Our star line should be our shut down line, they should be holding on to the puck so other teams dont' get chances. Other teams should have to worry about our guys than other way around

Get a hitting line. That's more effective to have more than anything.
Martin Czek line was effective. Very effective
Goodrow line was a good hitting line
Eaves line was very effective in hitting and causing turn overs. They ruined Girard's confidence

thats your opinion. danault, bergeron, bonino , wennberg are amazing defensive guys and dont play physical.
just because you hit doesnt make you a good defensive player. goodluck trying to shutdown mcdavid with "hits"

did i mention a shutdown line playing 20+ min a night ? thats your interpretation. all it means is we have a line that the coach wouldn't worry about playing 15-16 min a night against the other teams top 6 so that the team can have better matchups. thats all it is .

 

[Terrible GM]

 

[notbias]

Would prefer someone else, but I think we might roll two low event lines for the bottom six, probably won't produce much, but not getting scored on either, so if that is the case, he is fine.

Mikheyev - Kerfoot - Simmonds
Engvall - Kampf - Spezza

Would give us 4 defensively responsible lines and 2 that really drive offense, mind you, I think both these can contribute sparingly, but these would be two annoying lines to play against.

Definitely would not hate this.

 

[TML Dynasty]

When he played with Marchment in the AHL I thought they looked great…..hitting people….circling around after the whistle just waiting for someone to do something. The only time he seems to play with an edge is if he’s partnered with tough players. Not sure what I think about that lol.

 

[fahad203]

thats your opinion. danault, bergeron, bonino , wennberg are amazing defensive guys and dont play physical.
just because you hit doesnt make you a good defensive player. goodluck trying to shutdown mcdavid with "hits"

Yes, if we can get Bergeron, I'll slot him anywhere because unlike our players you mentioned, Bergy can do 10 other stuff to win you games
Like pass the puck, score some goals, make plays
Denault is very underrated physical player actually.

You don't have to play all physical, but you cannot be just all about defensive game either.
The line you produced, is all defensive. There's no physicality nor there is any offense

 

[Sypher04]

I don't think engvall offers anything of substance we can't get from a 750k-900k player. So no. And I'd be looking to move him

 

[Ashdown2]

Yes, if we can get Bergeron, I'll slot him anywhere because unlike our players you mentioned, Bergy can do 10 other stuff to win you games
Like pass the puck, score some goals, make plays
Denault is very underrated physical player actually.

You don't have to play all physical, but you cannot be just all about defensive game either.
The line you produced, is all defensive. There's no physicality nor there is any offense

i live in montreal and pretty much watch all danault games, using your login he would be a garbage forward because he drives 0 offense. just saying. you cant have it both ways.

also if you looking just at "goals" sure that line may not produce but mik and engvall were extreely effective at getting positive shot and chance attempts last year. if mik even scored 10% of his chances he would be looked at better on these boards. Also having your best PKers on the same line is great so that kerfoot, marner and others can rest and their lines dont get jumbled after a pk kill.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Yes. He is a solid bottom six forward for us based on our cap constraints.

 

[Twine Tickler]

Honestly I think Pierre has the skill to be in the NHL but he doesn't have the will. Soft as baby shit for someone his size. I am not asking Pierre to run guys out of the building, just be physically engaged in the play. Go into the corners, use his body to gain position on the puck...etc.

Willy is not a "physical player" but he is one of the best on our team at protecting the puck and using his body efficiently to dispossess the puck from the opponent. I am not sure why Pierre refuses to at least try to play that way.

To me, he is not an NHL'er until he figures that aspect of his game out. It is a shame, because it really isn't hard to learn, and he has the skill to play in the league. He is just far too hesitant of a player IMO. He looks terribly unconfident most of the time.

 

[Fonzieleaf]

Yes. He worked hard to get to this point in his career. From SHL to the marlies to the leafs.

 

[JayfromNB1219]

I would trade Matthews to ARZ for Chychrun + Keller + and the then trade Marner+ to BUF for Eichel. Then trade Rielly/Muzzin for a forward like JT Miller.

Ahaha you do realize there is a second GM who has to agree with you right? No way Buf says yes to eichel for Marner straight up…much less Morgan Reilly for JT Miller straight up man give your head a shake multiple times…thank god you aren’t Leafs GM

 

[AcerComputer]

Ahaha you do realize there is a second GM who has to agree with you right? No way Buf says yes to eichel for Marner straight up…much less Morgan Reilly for JT Miller straight up man give your head a shake multiple times…thank god you aren’t Leafs GM

Where did I say Marner straight up for Eichel? Clearly you have a reading comprehension issue. Of course another GM has to agree. This is HFBoards, none of his is real. The point is the team is top heavy and those are the players I would target in a trade to balance out the roster.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

He’s ok. My issue is him and Mik are too similar and Mik does everything a little better. we need more variety in the lineup. would prefer to move him for something different. More jam. More offense. Better PK. Anything.

 

[CupcakeSprinkles]

He’s ok. My issue is him and Mik are too similar and Mik does everything a little better. we need more variety in the lineup. would prefer to move him for something different. More jam. More offense. Better PK. Anything.

This is exactly my thoughts. Engvall is redundant with Mikheyev.

 

[The Iceman]

I would trade Matthews to ARZ for Chychrun + Keller + and the then trade Marner+ to BUF for Eichel. Then trade Rielly/Muzzin for a forward like JT Miller.

And this way you could select Shayne Wright first overall

 

[613Leafer]

Engvall is fine in a vacuum and could certainly find a role on a good NHL team. The problem is when your bottom 6 is shaping up to be Engvall, Mikheyev, Kampf, Bunting, Spezza, Simmonds, and/or Brooks, then you're probably in contention for the least amount of secondary scoring from your bottom 6 in the league.

A Mikheyev-Kampf-Engvall line for example looks like a pretty solid shutdown line, but with virtually no offence. So you'd probably want to compliment that with a depth scoring line, but Bunting-Brooks-Spezza isn't exactly producing the type of offence Tampa got from the Gourde line, Washington got from the Eller line, St. Louis got from the Bozak line, Pittsburgh got from the Kessel line, etc (when looking at the 3rd lines on some recent Cup winners).

 

[Stephen]

He’s a useful athlete who should be in the NHL but the downside is he doesn’t compliment it he core pieces farther up the lineup with any kind of bottom six snarl. It’s not so great when you need a tough guy to activate him since these bottom six guys ought to be self starters. He and Mikheyev are redundant and they both play with that deer caught in headlights look whenever things get a little rough.

 

[Leaf Fans]

He deserves to be at training camp and have a shot at making the team.

 

[Mickey Marner]

He does in the sense that we don't have twelve or thirteen better forwards. Optimally he would not be able to make this team.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Anyone remember the HEM line? What happened to that?

No more Hyman so therefore around here that means no balls so therefore the other two are useless… personally I see them putting kampf between Engvall and soup and creating a line that for 12ish 5v5 mins a game will shut everything down and basically turn the game into who can get the job done between our top 2 lines and the opponents second and Third lines.