Speculation: Does Engvall deserve to be on the Leafs?

[T_Cage]

I like Engvall, but we can get a 4th liner for 750k and not notice much difference

That 500k saved however, can add us a 2M piece at the trade deadline if we are in it

 

[Griffin76]

Anyone remember the HEM line? What happened to that?

"Hyman makes every line better".

 

[Kazparov]

Yes, sign him to 7 years at 5million AAV

 

[egd27]

I like Engvall, but we can get a 4th liner for 750k and not notice much difference

That 500k saved however, can add us a 2M piece at the trade deadline if we are in it

So now we're downgrading on our $1.25M players to find $500k?

That's just sad.

 

[T_Cage]

So now we're downgrading on our $1.25M players to find $500k?

That's just sad.

Welcome to being tight against the cap lol

I don't know if it would really be a downgrade tbh. Engvall is a 4th liner with a little upside.....we could probably get an equal 4th liner without that ceiling (and a little older) for 750k-800k. That cap space at the deadline could mean we dont have to push out extra assets this year to get 75% retention on a guy

He's nice, but replaceable

 

[KuleminFan41]

Matthews letting players scruff him around while smiling was the biggest embarrassment we have seen from a Leaf in a long time. Mats Sundin wasn’t a fighter but could you imagine anyone trying that with him. Matthews is a punk. He showed it dropping his pants at a women. Doesn’t get much worse than both of them acts

Down below is a video of Mats Sundin hanging on for deal life avoiding a fight against Gary Roberts. Would you prefer to have Sundin or Matthews drop the gloves, get their asses kicked and prove what exactly? If your star player is fighting, you have bigger problems because the worst thing you can do is have them off the ice for at least 5 minutes , they're there to score, not fight.

 

[ottomaddox]

Deserve?

Probably. Why? Because of the cap of course. Would I prefer someone better? Yes, but we have 4 stars to feed. :/

 

[Stonehands1990]

Down below is a video of Mats Sundin hanging on for deal life avoiding a fight against Gary Roberts. Would you prefer to have Sundin or Matthews drop the gloves, get their asses kicked and prove what exactly? If your star player is fighting, you have bigger problems because the worst thing you can do is have them off the ice for at least 5 minutes , they're there to score, not fight.

Nobody is saying for Matthews to fight just handle it in a less embarrassing way. Push him off you and skate away. Can’t let Petry goad you into taking a penalty when we have the PP

 

[123offtheglass]

Nobody is saying for Matthews to fight just handle it in a less embarrassing way. Push him off you and skate away. Can’t let Petry goad you into taking a penalty when we have the PP

I remember Sean Avery suggested Matthews should drop the gloves at puck drop center ice during a series against Boston

Sean Avery suggests Auston Matthews fight at center ice in bizarre, profane rant

 

[Stonehands1990]

I remember Sean Avery suggested Matthews should drop the gloves at puck drop center ice during a series against Boston

Sean Avery suggests Auston Matthews fight at center ice in bizarre, profane rant

I remember that. What an idiot lol

 

[KuleminFan41]

Nobody is saying for Matthews to fight just handle it in a less embarrassing way. Push him off you and skate away. Can’t let Petry goad you into taking a penalty when we have the PP

I'll give you another example, Eddie Shack skating away from the Blues players was far worse than what Matthews did. Ultimately, this stuff is irrelevant. Matthews laughing at an opposing player trying to goad him into a penalty is hardly worth talking about. Retaliation, no matter how minor, could actually get him a penalty. You don't want your star players in those scrums because its not worth it, especially if a player gets in a good sucker punch on him

 

[123offtheglass]

I remember that and it was stupid but we’re talking about how the ragdoll incident was handled

I've always wanted Matthews to play with more of an edge, especially for a man his stature on a team that's been a bit soft in the past, it bugs me. But honestly the increase in aggressiveness & push-back he played with this year while be nominated for the lady byng (low PIM trophy), it was effective. What he did after the whistle ended up in a powerplay for the Leafs; I'm not complaining. Pushback is great but what he did was better in that scenario.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

No, not anymore, I still like him but he's got to go

 

[CupcakeSprinkles]

We literally just paid Chicago's 4th line center and our 7th D the same price though.

We don't get anyone on a bargain besides maybe bunting

Engvall is a winger and sucks on draws

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Down below is a video of Mats Sundin hanging on for deal life avoiding a fight against Gary Roberts. Would you prefer to have Sundin or Matthews drop the gloves, get their asses kicked and prove what exactly? If your star player is fighting, you have bigger problems because the worst thing you can do is have them off the ice for at least 5 minutes , they're there to score, not fight.

Not the same and the context of that game we don’t know either. That is not standing there taking a thrashing doing nothing. He couldn’t fight but wouldn’t take sh!t. That video is not goung to add anythingbto the fact Matthews is a corward

 

[Its not your fault]

I rather have Engvall than Mikheyev. But he is the least of our worries though. Need to trade Matthews and Marner after that playoff performance.

Sweet plan of action? I'd argue Marner needs an NHL shot they double teamed Matthews.

 

[KuleminFan41]

Not the same and the context of that game we don’t know either. That is not standing there taking a thrashing doing nothing. He couldn’t fight but wouldn’t take sh!t. That video is not goung to add anythingbto the fact Matthews is a corward

He was hanging on for dear life because he was afraid of getting his ass kicked lol . Don't like that example, go watch Eddie Shack against the Blues . All I'm saying is, its dumb to complain about it. Pushing back wont do anything, everyone and their mother knows he's not fighting

 

[56 Years No Cup]

Yes. He worked hard to get to this point in his career. From SHL to the marlies to the leafs.

Great. Give him a Participation Ribbon and ship him out.

 

[56 Years No Cup]

He deserves to be at training camp and have a shot at making the team.

Fair statement.

 

[56 Years No Cup]

Down below is a video of Mats Sundin hanging on for deal life avoiding a fight against Gary Roberts. Would you prefer to have Sundin or Matthews drop the gloves, get their asses kicked and prove what exactly? If your star player is fighting, you have bigger problems because the worst thing you can do is have them off the ice for at least 5 minutes , they're there to score, not fight.

This is nothing like what Matthews did. Nothing.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

He was hanging on for dear life because he was afraid of getting his ass kicked lol . Don't like that example, go watch Eddie Shack against the Blues . All I'm saying is, its dumb to complain about it. Pushing back wont do anything, everyone and their mother knows he's not fighting

What is not there is who came out after To pick up for him. Domi likely. They didn’t get away with it then. Sundin caused all kinds of that stuff. So did Gilmour. Clark or domi or numerous others were coming right after that.
Matthews should fight. Marner too. The way the roster was they would just keep getting it. Ritchie has never lost a fight. I Sh!t you not. Thats the difference coming here over Hyman on Matthews wing. Hyman couldn’t lick a stamp and scared nobody. Gabriel can play enough for fourth line too Never know it the way everyone is calling him a AHLer. He’s on his way to being a good 4th liner. About time some chippy players were added

 

[Wafflewhipper]

This is nothing like what Matthews did. Nothing.

Aha yeah it’s not even close

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Engvall is on the same path as Gauthier who is sitting without a contract. Gauthier needed to play physical and would not. So he is likely out of the league. Not very smart of him. Goat and Engvall might be teammates in another league. Softer than a wet noodle both of them.
We don’t need or want Engvall’s for most fans anyways

 

[cupcrazyman]

With Kampf who can play the third line center role, I would trade Engvall. Trade him for a draft pick which also opens up an extra 1.25 million dollars.

That would make the most sense when the timing is right.

Is he worth a 3rd ? We need to recoup a 3rd,4th,5th,6th for the 2022 Draft.

 

[TheGreatOne11]

I only picked no because of all the additions at forward there is just no space for him anymore, and everybody trying to push Mikheyev out forget he literally does everything right (but finish lol).

He is a great defensive third liner and if he can get a little bit of a scoring touch he could be even better.