Salary Cap: Do you trust Kyle Dubas with salary negotiations? Deux

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  1. Ragnar Lothbrok

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    I had a good laugh when Shanahan was asking players to play ball/nice with the cap like he and others did in Detroit... completely "misremembering" that the Detroit years happened pre NHL Salary Cap lol.

    Add in Dubas who likes to hear himself talk, and acts like he's the smartest guy in the room... how could this not work for years to come ?
     
  2. dsred

    dsred Babcock Gonna Babcock, Dubas gonna Dubas.

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    I get it but why would Dubas play hardball now when he hasn't before?
     
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    Yea he never has played hardball. He's never set a record for holding out on RFA negotations until his player calls him 45mins before the deadline.
     
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    Tavares was all UFA years. You will pay more for that.

    Considering when contracts were signed, will be signed. I will be off for some, but I think majority could handle the below. Just my take on things.

    I would think Willy (considering he was also missing part of the season) 6X$6.25-$6.5
    Matthews 5X$10 or 8X$12
    Marner 7/8X$9-$9.5(for instance)
     
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    He did that and still overpaid Nylander on non-max term.
     
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    Tavares at 11 is fine with me. It's a UFA price and he's earned it. Im sure he'll be fine in his later stages too, it's not like he's relied on speed anyways.
    Nylander I would be fine with 7 million but for 8 years. 6 years should have been $5.5m-6m imo
    Matthews id be fine with 12.5 million for 8 years, it's still a slight overpayment but it's much better then his current contract.
    Marner, who knows. Im not expecting a win for Dubas. I just hope there's enough scraps for Kap and AJ for a long contract.
     
  7. JT AM da real deal

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    Marner is the last guy who is going to sacrifice. Trust me on that one. If Leafs continue to decide to play hardball with him and not give him the extra mil give away he will sit. Maybe someone will offer sheet maybe not. Either way he sits.
     
  8. dsred

    dsred Babcock Gonna Babcock, Dubas gonna Dubas.

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    Sure looks like it's gonna be Me-lander, Me-tthews, and Me-rner ( alt I-Mitch) doesn't it? The three amegos.
     
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    All one has to do is look at Chicago with Toews and Kane, and Anaheim with Getzlaf and Perry. Paying $10+ million for players in there late 20's doesn't work out long term for the team. Odds are that by year 3 or 4, the Tavares deal will end up the same. The "Prime" range in the NHL now is 25- 30, after that it goes downhill. Heck even Crosby is starting to slow down - the NHL is a young man's game.
     
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    dsred Babcock Gonna Babcock, Dubas gonna Dubas.

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    Fact- Wives Matter.
     
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    Yes, it is trending younger, Tavares just turned 28. 60pts in 55 games -22nd overall

    Kane age 30-81pts in 55games.2nd overall
    Toews 30-56 in 56. 28th overall
    Crosby 31-62 in 52. 18th overall
    Malkin 32-55 in 50. 32 overall
    Ovetchkin 33-61 in 54-19 overall

    I'm not too worried about Tavares.
     
  12. dsred

    dsred Babcock Gonna Babcock, Dubas gonna Dubas.

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    To pay, or not to pay. That is the question.
     
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    LOL, using Kane was a bad example. As for the rest though... the younger guys are taking over for them.
     
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    Don't forget Me-avaras who mgmt desperately tried to spin as a sub comparable deal to try to get the kids to take discounts , too bad the kids didn't believe him being the 2nd highest cap hit player in the league was a sweet heart deal for the team .
     
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    dsred Babcock Gonna Babcock, Dubas gonna Dubas.

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    And now Marner will get 1- 1.5 mil extra which equals 3- 3.5 million = Johnsson or Kappy.
     
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    LOL, yet another hilarious thing during the Shanahan and Dubas era, not only did they spin, but a lot of media and fans bought that Tavares took a "discount" - $31.8 million in less than 14 months isn't much of a discount.
     
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    Dubas will just add another million dollars to everyone's contracts - it's the Dubas way...
     
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    Matthews and Nylander could make Dubas look good if they decided to show up and play, but alas they're too busy day dreaming about the expensive cars they might be able to buy with their new found millions.
     
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    dsred Babcock Gonna Babcock, Dubas gonna Dubas.

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    Yet he caved at the end.
     
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    There could not be more of a truism then that one. And all of us know it. Anyone who thinks otherwise is probably still single. Guys generally don't want to be sleeping in a guest bedroom or worse yet the coach. And they don't want to hear every day it is freakin cold here in Toronto. I couldn't even imagine Stammers wife and mom here for more than a weekend. F*ck they were chewing him up at the fathers day game at ACC and that was before they were even married. I hope we have heated seats in the limo ride to Niagara. And where da hell do we pick up this damn limo anyways. Text Stammer. Why da hell has he not got back to you. You have not trained him yet. OMG it was ridiculous. This was in 1st period alone.
     
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    dsred Babcock Gonna Babcock, Dubas gonna Dubas.

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    Oh I agree. But what does "the extra mil" bring the expected AAV to? 10? 11? 12?
     
  22. dsred

    dsred Babcock Gonna Babcock, Dubas gonna Dubas.

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    Me-vares fits better in your scenario. I just don't agree he's overpaid.
     
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    I thought it was 10M which is what Paul told everyone he wanted. But now that Matty got 11.6M man it could be another mil more. I just don't know.
     
  24. dsred

    dsred Babcock Gonna Babcock, Dubas gonna Dubas.

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    You know what though Rags....can I call you Rags? I couldn't care less what these players make. I only care what happens with the cap.

    No cap, no problem with any of this. I'm all in. MLSE has the money. Buy me a team. I think 99% of fans would feel the same.
     
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    Exactly!
     

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