What about getting Craig Anderson from Ottawa? Just watched him beat Buffalo a couple weeks ago. Rumour there was he might be on the block. Honestly I don’t see any goalie wanting to come to Detroit right now
Do the Wings go after a free agent goalie in 2020?
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Henkka
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There was the Athanasiou for Sorokin (NY Islanders) rumour also a while ago.
Ilya Sorokin at eliteprospects.com
He is the best goalie in KHL and everything about him would be known from Sergei Fedorov connections.
Ilya Sorokin at eliteprospects.com
He is the best goalie in KHL and everything about him would be known from Sergei Fedorov connections.
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Posted on the trade board...what about a trade for Georgie from NYR? They may be looking to dump a defender IF possible to relieve salary. What would we need to do? I said something with Svech but really have no idea. Is AA too much?
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They will for the right price/term (see Bernier, Jonathan), or an opportunity to show they're still a capable starter or NHL goalie for future opportunities (see Mrazek, Petr in 2018 offseason).
But yea Anderson would be a rental at this point and would really be a slightly better albeit older Jimmy Howard.
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At this point, AA straight up for a young goalie that's been able to handle a #1B NHL workload (albeit on a better team) so far and still has some time to hit his prime might be a worthwhile gamble as opposed to getting something like a draft pick or picks for him...
I'm not sure if the Rangers would be interested though... I mean he could slot in on the wing somewhere in the middle 6 if/when they lose Kreider and/or Fast, but maybe have other ideas for the at least $3M in cap space it's going to take to extend AA.
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I don't want to pay the Holtby price he is only 30 and is going to want 5 years min and starter money. He might put us right back in the same situation as Howard. Or he might be great but I don't want to take that risk.
Wings need to use this time of "we are not going to win anyway" to find young core talent for tryout periods. If you don't fit the core here is your walking papers. We can't afford a 5-6 million dollar declining potential underperformer at this moment in the franchise.
If Holtby is willing to do a 1-2 year contract without an NTC then maybe but I doubt it.
Wings need to use this time of "we are not going to win anyway" to find young core talent for tryout periods. If you don't fit the core here is your walking papers. We can't afford a 5-6 million dollar declining potential underperformer at this moment in the franchise.
If Holtby is willing to do a 1-2 year contract without an NTC then maybe but I doubt it.
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I seem to recall Lehner making some comments about a bad interview with another team before he signed with the Islanders last year, and I know he came to see the Wings. Might not be a connection there, but if there is, probably no chance he'd come here.
I might do Crawford on a one year "show me" contract, though. Couldn't be worse than Howie is this year.
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That interview would have been with Holland though.
Yzerman likes big goalies traditionally, so I would expect him to be interested in Lehner.
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There are always more goalies than roster spots.
Anderson is a bit old to bother getting invested in. He'll be 39 going into next season.
Halak a better option.
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Agreed, Holtby is going to ask for tons of term and money.
Combined stats from 2017-18 to present. Wonder how many can pickout Howard and Holtby from their stats alone?
90.8% 2.92 GAA
90.6% 3.09 GAA
90.6% 3.09 GAA
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IMO, next season probably isn't ideal for any type of "show me" one year deals in net. Bernier will technically be in a "show me" situation as well, and if both goalies show Yzerman that they aren't good, he'll be scrambling to replace both (and Pickard as well if a young goalie doesn't claim the starting job in GR) through trades and free agency in the same summer when the league adds another team worth of goaltending jobs.
On the other hand, the only real benefit would be that the Wings would end up with an open spot to protect a goalie in the expansion draft and could get a bargain on a goalie from a team that has more than one goalie worth protecting. An example could be Demko if the Canucks decide to extend Markstrom longterm, or who ever Pittsburgh decides is expendable between Jarry and Murray.
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It'll be interesting to see how Yzerman handles goaltending spots going forward.
Early on in Tampa, he signed a couple of #1B/#2 guys on cheap 2 years deals in Dan Ellis and Mathieu Garon
One forgotten Yzerman goalie blunder in Tampa: He made a trade for a "goalie of the future" a few days before he drafted Vasilevskiy and a few months before stealing Bishop from Ottawa.
He sent AHL goalie Sebastien Caron (a throw in), 2 previously acquired 2nd round picks in 2012 (#37 and #50 OA) and Tampa's own 3rd in 2013 (ended up #64OA
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Anders Lindback, AHL forward Kyle Wilson (likely a throw in) and 7th in 2012 (#202 OA)
Lindback ended up being garbage before getting hurt for almost a month, which prompted Yzerman to get Bishop. Lindback backed up Bishop the next year before Yzerman packaged him up with a 3rd and sent him to Buffalo for Enroth.
Something tells me Yzerman won't be paying any steep prices for young goalies again...
Early on in Tampa, he signed a couple of #1B/#2 guys on cheap 2 years deals in Dan Ellis and Mathieu Garon
One forgotten Yzerman goalie blunder in Tampa: He made a trade for a "goalie of the future" a few days before he drafted Vasilevskiy and a few months before stealing Bishop from Ottawa.
He sent AHL goalie Sebastien Caron (a throw in), 2 previously acquired 2nd round picks in 2012 (#37 and #50 OA) and Tampa's own 3rd in 2013 (ended up #64OA
for
Anders Lindback, AHL forward Kyle Wilson (likely a throw in) and 7th in 2012 (#202 OA)
Lindback ended up being garbage before getting hurt for almost a month, which prompted Yzerman to get Bishop. Lindback backed up Bishop the next year before Yzerman packaged him up with a 3rd and sent him to Buffalo for Enroth.
Something tells me Yzerman won't be paying any steep prices for young goalies again...
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Last this kind scenario was only an edge for the expansion team, when they negotiated about protections.
Pittsburgh payed 2nd round pick for Vegas, so they would select Fleury. It really feels pure lunatism afterwards and you make can't that kind of trade happening.
Don't think Wings can get an advantage of it.
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Yeah, and the other scenario is that the Wings could trade with Seattle for a goalie if there are multiple goalies available in the expansion draft.
Same scenario with D-men. The Wings need to stock up on draft picks and prospects so that they have assets to trade with Seattle. They will need to fill out their AHL affiliate, so even guys like Lashoff and Hicketts have some value for Seattle.
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This kind of trades really won't help our team anyway.
- Trevor van Riemsdyk and a seventh-round pick in 2018 were traded to Carolina for Pittsburgh's second-round pick in 2017.[23]
- David Schlemko was traded to Montreal for a fifth-round pick in 2019.[24]
- Marc Methot was traded to Dallas for Dylan Ferguson and a second-round pick in 2020.[25]
- Alexei Emelin was traded to Nashville for a third-round pick in 2018.[26]
- Calvin Pickard was traded to Toronto for a sixth-round draft pick in 2018 and Tobias Lindberg.[27]
Getting UFAs from free market is better asset management.
Of course, Seattle is gonna keep all guys with Top4 potential and will let extra 3rd pair guys go. We have enough of 3rd pair guys.
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3rd pair guys are still better than what this team has. This team is currently playing 3 AHL players, Green is UFA, and DDK's career is questionable (back surgery). The only NHL caliber players signed for next season are Hronek and Nemeth. Seider may or may not be ready, Cholo needs to stay in GR until his waiver exemption is over.
Other than Pietra, I don't see any UFA D that I'd want. Haven't checked next year's list yet...
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Yes. Because Our second rounder will be the first pick in the second round.
Considering they are tacking on a $6m cap dump, yeah, I think it's too steep.
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If you believe in Georgiev as a ready-made starter, a 2nd and Staal isn't bad.
Staal has one year left.
We're going to suck anyway next year. McIsaac won't be ready.
We;ll be crowded on LD for a season with Staal, Nemeth and Dekeyser and Cholowski.
We haven't drafted and developed a goalie since Mrazek. Our most promising goalie prospect has just taken a nosedive off a cliff.
If you believe in Georgiev, a 2nd and Staal isn't bad.
Staal has one year left.
We're going to suck anyway next year. McIsaac won't be ready.
We;ll be crowded on LD for a season with Staal, Nemeth and Dekeyser and Cholowski.
We haven't drafted and developed a goalie since Mrazek. Our most promising goalie prospect has just taken a nosedive off a cliff.
If you believe in Georgiev, a 2nd and Staal isn't bad.
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Considering Detroit's 2nd is likely to be the very next rung on the ladder after what would be considered a "late 1st", that's arguably steep to get Georgiev and a decent sized cap dump. Washington's 2nd or a 2nd the Wings could get when/if they move some guys at the deadline would make more sense.
That said, consensus among Rangers fans seems to be that either; A) Staal probably wouldn't waive his NTC for Detroit; or B) The Rangers would probably rather keep Staal or buy him out instead of losing value on Georgiev to move his contract.
Brendan Smith would probably be the easier bad contract to send to Detroit for the Rangers, as he has a NTC that affords the Rangers a list of 1o teams he'd be willing to go to, and I'd be shocked if the Red Wings weren't one of the 10 as he'd likely have a regular role for a year and some of his buddies like Abdelkader and DK will likely still be around.
For the right price, Georgiev does make a lot of sense for the Wings. They don't have a young goalie anywhere near ready for the NHL, and they probably need someone that will be around past 20-21 if they move on from Bernier. Georgiev will be a 24YO RFA this summer, so the Wings can sign him to an affordable 2 year bridge, protect him in the expansion draft and then see where they're at with him when he becomes an RFA for the last time in summer 2022. If the Red Wings are still complete trash at that point but Georgiev is decent in net, he could still be a valuable piece to trade.
The big question is the price. If the Rangers are open to trading Georgiev to Detroit, but don't want to use him to move bad salary, what should the Red Wings trade for him? AA? #32OA? Decent Prospect? package of picks/prospects?
That said, consensus among Rangers fans seems to be that either; A) Staal probably wouldn't waive his NTC for Detroit; or B) The Rangers would probably rather keep Staal or buy him out instead of losing value on Georgiev to move his contract.
Brendan Smith would probably be the easier bad contract to send to Detroit for the Rangers, as he has a NTC that affords the Rangers a list of 1o teams he'd be willing to go to, and I'd be shocked if the Red Wings weren't one of the 10 as he'd likely have a regular role for a year and some of his buddies like Abdelkader and DK will likely still be around.
For the right price, Georgiev does make a lot of sense for the Wings. They don't have a young goalie anywhere near ready for the NHL, and they probably need someone that will be around past 20-21 if they move on from Bernier. Georgiev will be a 24YO RFA this summer, so the Wings can sign him to an affordable 2 year bridge, protect him in the expansion draft and then see where they're at with him when he becomes an RFA for the last time in summer 2022. If the Red Wings are still complete trash at that point but Georgiev is decent in net, he could still be a valuable piece to trade.
The big question is the price. If the Rangers are open to trading Georgiev to Detroit, but don't want to use him to move bad salary, what should the Red Wings trade for him? AA? #32OA? Decent Prospect? package of picks/prospects?
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