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The moment of the deal, Leaf's won.
Year later, maybe even.
Year later, Bruin's won.
Year later, maybe even.
Did we win the Kessel deal yet?
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The moment of the deal, Leaf's won.
Year later, maybe even.
Year later, Bruin's won.
Year later, maybe even.
ULF_55
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Flawed logic. Just because Seguin's name is etched in the Stanley Cup does not mean he's a better player than Kessel. Seguin wasn't the factor why Boston won the cup.
Bernier has his name on the cup also...
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HarrisonFord
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Not even Leaf fans expected anything more than a first round exit. Had the Leafs not had Kessel I doubt they would have pushed Boston to 7 games....Had Boston had Kessel they would have had a better chance at pushing Chicago to a 7th game.
you can view this two ways
who won the deal?
i would say because the Bruins won the cup, recently after the trade
they won the deal...
they got a young player who showed talent and fazz and didnt need Kessel to win the cup
Kessel has been the more dynamic player in the few years as a Leaf
his impact, versus Seguin's impact
so if it was Seguin vs Kessel
Kessel comes ahead, and the previous playoffs shows you the cherry on top
who won the deal?
i would say because the Bruins won the cup, recently after the trade
they won the deal...
they got a young player who showed talent and fazz and didnt need Kessel to win the cup
Kessel has been the more dynamic player in the few years as a Leaf
his impact, versus Seguin's impact
so if it was Seguin vs Kessel
Kessel comes ahead, and the previous playoffs shows you the cherry on top
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Yup. He had a good game. Kessel is still more of a go to guy for his team than Seguin is for Boston.
Boston's number 1 need right now is top 6 RW and they're going to keep spending assets to fill that hole
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The Blue Devil
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If Seguin approaches Kessel's level, Boston will have an elite offensive guy on their team. The probability of that occurring isn't high. The fact that Kessel can elevate the play of those around him as well as the best and is difficult to shut down even without a big two-way centre tells us that he's elite.
Give him an entry level second liner like Handsus and he'd still produce a very legitimate scoring line. Much like Kane, he's the go to guy on our team.
Give him an entry level second liner like Handsus and he'd still produce a very legitimate scoring line. Much like Kane, he's the go to guy on our team.
I find the trade to be a win-win for both teams
the leafs needed a player that could contribute right away
while the bruins needed assets for someone they didnt have cap for
what happened after the trade is a different story
the leafs needed a player that could contribute right away
while the bruins needed assets for someone they didnt have cap for
what happened after the trade is a different story
Actually man, you and the fanbase of your team are going to have to get over it. We've been hearing about it for years, from your team's fans, from the media, from this board. I'm personally loving like hell the fact that now the debate is starting to shift the other way.
Deal with it Boston. We had to.
From Bostons perspective...
Facing cap problems and with already a HIGHLY competitive team, they need to trade off one of two young talents (kessel or krejci). They choose Kessel (seems like the correct choice after the playoffs this year).
They correctly assessed that they will be a ridiculously competitive team even without Kessel, and with cap problems, hope to get some picks for the future in the trade. They were expecting 2 mid range picks, and understood that Kessel would likely be the best player in the trade. Again... the main motivation for the trade was cap problems. They then end up getting 2nd and 9th over-****ing-all picks while being a highly competitive team that wins the Stanley ****ing cup.
From Toronto's perspective...
They just watched a young 21 year old player score 36 goals in 70 games and find out he's available. This is a rare opportunity to get a young super talented scorer. They trade two 1st round picks for Kessel, hoping that adding Kessel as well as a few free agents will make the team playoff bound. Instead, the team finishes 2nd and 9th last those 2 years with Kessel in the lineup. Leaf fans had to watch their team bottom out to 2nd ****ing last while watching our pick go to a divisional rival. One of the most humiliating things to ever have happened.
In short, Kessel has performed pretty much exactly as expected while Boston (while winning a cup) received FAR more than expected in the trade... as their motivation for the trade was lowering their cap hit.
It's a no brainer. There's absolutely no debate about it. Boston DESTROYED us in that trade. The reason that threads like this exist is because many leaf fans are humiliated about it... and try and make themselves feel better.
Facing cap problems and with already a HIGHLY competitive team, they need to trade off one of two young talents (kessel or krejci). They choose Kessel (seems like the correct choice after the playoffs this year).
They correctly assessed that they will be a ridiculously competitive team even without Kessel, and with cap problems, hope to get some picks for the future in the trade. They were expecting 2 mid range picks, and understood that Kessel would likely be the best player in the trade. Again... the main motivation for the trade was cap problems. They then end up getting 2nd and 9th over-****ing-all picks while being a highly competitive team that wins the Stanley ****ing cup.
From Toronto's perspective...
They just watched a young 21 year old player score 36 goals in 70 games and find out he's available. This is a rare opportunity to get a young super talented scorer. They trade two 1st round picks for Kessel, hoping that adding Kessel as well as a few free agents will make the team playoff bound. Instead, the team finishes 2nd and 9th last those 2 years with Kessel in the lineup. Leaf fans had to watch their team bottom out to 2nd ****ing last while watching our pick go to a divisional rival. One of the most humiliating things to ever have happened.
In short, Kessel has performed pretty much exactly as expected while Boston (while winning a cup) received FAR more than expected in the trade... as their motivation for the trade was lowering their cap hit.
It's a no brainer. There's absolutely no debate about it. Boston DESTROYED us in that trade. The reason that threads like this exist is because many leaf fans are humiliated about it... and try and make themselves feel better.
I'm sure guys like Chara, Marchand, Thomas, Krejci, Lucic, Rask, etc. had plenty to do with Seguin's two cups.
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Kessel=21st in NHL in GPG
Kadri=Overrated soft head case
Phaneuf= human pylon with little between the ears
Colbourne=Bust
Safe to say we need more introspective ability and shouldn't trade with Boston
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Didnt the head-to-head playoff series put this to bed?
Kessel nearly won us the series. Seguin did nothing.
Kessel nearly won us the series. Seguin did nothing.
Bomber0104
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No one is going to know who "won" the trade for a long time now.
As of now the Leafs paid out the ass for a single player that has lead the team no where...while Boston has visited the Cup Finals twice, winning it once after trading away a supposedly elite player.
I guess PPG players aren't what wins Cups after all...
Leaf fans about Kadri 3 years after his draft:
"WAY too early to write him off. He's only 20. Who cares that he can't even crack the lineup of a terrible nhl team. He's so ridiculously young that he'll likely dramatically improve."
Leaf fans about Seguin 3 years after his draft:
"He's TERRIBLE. Was only on pace for around 30 goals as a 20 year old this year while in the nhl. That's terrible. He's NOT going to improve."
Leaf fans about Seguin when he had a MUCH better 2nd year than Kessel:
"Doesn't prove anything. It's silly to judge the development of these players just on one season."
Leaf fans about Seguin when he had a worse 3rd year than Kessel:
"This PROVES beyond any shadow of a doubt that Kessel is, was, and always will be far better than Seguin ever at everything always EVER!!!!"
This is a very very frustrating fan base to be apart of. I fully understand why leaf fans have the reputation league wide that they do.
"WAY too early to write him off. He's only 20. Who cares that he can't even crack the lineup of a terrible nhl team. He's so ridiculously young that he'll likely dramatically improve."
Leaf fans about Seguin 3 years after his draft:
"He's TERRIBLE. Was only on pace for around 30 goals as a 20 year old this year while in the nhl. That's terrible. He's NOT going to improve."
Leaf fans about Seguin when he had a MUCH better 2nd year than Kessel:
"Doesn't prove anything. It's silly to judge the development of these players just on one season."
Leaf fans about Seguin when he had a worse 3rd year than Kessel:
"This PROVES beyond any shadow of a doubt that Kessel is, was, and always will be far better than Seguin ever at everything always EVER!!!!"
This is a very very frustrating fan base to be apart of. I fully understand why leaf fans have the reputation league wide that they do.
it just means seguin has accomplished far more than kessel and has had far more nhl success. which is the whole idea, isn't it?
how do you determine who the better player is?
yes, that's awesome for him. significant success.
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