News Article: Did Mike Babcock Almost Ruin the Toronto Maple Leafs?

[Wafflewhipper]

The contracts are all in Dubas , it started by overpaying Tavares then it snowballed .

the agents and players all know Dubie is a weak bitch as evidenced by him needing to have Shanny fly in to fire Babs as well as to do the media could nfetence while he hid under his bed

San Jose was offering a couple million more per season so i guess your little idea does hold water here eh. Short memory holee

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

The contracts are all in Dubas , it started by overpaying Tavares then it snowballed .

the agents and players all know Dubie is a weak bitch as evidenced by him needing to have Shanny fly in to fire Babs as well as to do the media could nfetence while he hid under his bed

I wonder what names you want to call Lou who offered Tavares more money and term

 

[Pookie]

That’s a hard no to the OP.

Shanahan sought out Babcock to break the country club culture and create a professional environment.

Lest we forget what the culture was:

Leafs exec met with police to discuss cocaine use

 

[PromisedLand]

hey OP you spelled Kyle Dubas incorrectly and misused the word "almost"

 

[ToMaLe]

Should of been fired alot sooner. Total Ahole!

 

[hotpaws]

San Jose was offering a couple million more per season so i guess your little idea does hold water here eh. Short memory holee

And Edm was offering more to Clarkson so I guess in your opinion he signed here for a discount and was worth more than what we paid him .

 

[hotpaws]

I wonder what names you want to call Lou who offered Tavares more money and term

Yea the rumours of what LL offered keep going up , lol , first it was 10/11 over 8 and now it’s what , 16m per ?

and pretty much every UFA said they were offered more but what someone gets offered doesn’t mean they're worth what they signed for

The list of overpaid ufa’s players is long and Johnny Mumbles is on it .

And unlike yourself I don’t give a damn about Lou since I don’t follow the sport to cheer for the GM like you seem too .

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Yea the rumours of what LL offered keep going up , lol , first it was 10/11 over 8 and now it’s what , 16m per ?

and pretty much every UFA said they were offered more but what someone gets offered doesn’t mean they worth what they signed for

The list of overpaid ufa’s players is long and Johnny Mumbles is on it .

And unlike yourself I don’t give a damn about Lou since I don’t follow the sport to cheer for the GM like you seem too .

No, you just follow it to cheer against Dubas for whatever reason. That's why you are happy to completely ignore valuable information, like what other GMs wanted to pay

 

[Moonman]

I dunno but he certainly made it harder for me to enjoy watching... I have Babcock PTSD.

 

[stickty111]

He was one of the people that brought this organization back to respectability. He was a terrible coach though and alienated the team at times.

 

[hotpaws]

No, you just follow it to cheer against Dubas for whatever reason. That's why you are happy to completely ignore valuable information, like what other GMs wanted to pay

I don’t give f*** about Dubas personally either way , all I care is how the teams run and that’s why I have a problem with him .

I’ll repeat again , almost all the ufa’s said they turned down more elsewhere including Clarkdon and then the rumour about team x pops up saying they offered more and I said rumoured since I can’t remember one GM confirming these rumours .

but at the end of the day what matters isn’t what a player may or may not have been offered but how he performs relative to his cap hit

and as the Chinese farmer said

“he who goes to sleep with itchy bum , wakes up with smelly fingers”

 

[Wafflewhipper]

And Edm was offering more to Clarkson so I guess in your opinion he signed here for a discount and was worth more than what we paid him .

Lame to conpare

 

[BrainyBomber]

The players took bigger salaries because they were incubated in a media environment that made them major celebrities relative to accomplishments. Mix in the Tavares contract and you have what we see today. Babcock lost control of the room this year, due to the aforementioned rock relationships but he really shouldn't be scapegoated for all that has not gone well in Toronto.

I think you must mean the Toronto market has inflated their egos and therefore self-worth. Probably played a role but the role of Papa Nylander and Marner seems to loom larger.

The Tavares contract was a bargain. He was offered 13m a year so Dubas actually got him 2m cheaper than his market value.

I agree Babcock shouldn't be scapegoated for our issues but he's certainly an important factor. He didn't suddenly lose the dressing room this year it seems to have started before (especially with the Marner incident) and he should have been canned in the summer as Dubas wanted but Shanahan vetoed.

 

[hotpaws]

Lame to conpare

not comparing the players (which you know but choose to ignore) but the situation which is exactly the same so i have no idea why you believe the comparison is lame other than it doesn't fit your narrative that Johnny is worth being the highest paid player in the league but chose to come home at a discount , lol

 

[Funk21]

Babcock should have been fired last offseason. It was clear that he had lost the room and had been badly out coached in both playoff series against the Bruins.

While I get that Hyman was not likely to do more damage to his knee the fact that Babcock had a one legged guy play as much as he did against that Boston series show me how uninspired his troops were and his inability to motivate. Every player should have come to him and said coach I can and will pick up the slack, Matthews, Marner and Nylander should have all been playing 22+ mins a night. Same with Kadri when available.

His defensive deployment was terrible too, this year he almost single handily ruined the start of our season. Telling a what 8+ year vet maybe he needs to change his game.... I get it you want players to always strive to be better but Barrie is not a defensive stalwart and never will be. He was not the player we needed and unfortunately it’s looking like a bad trade.

Hopefully Dubas has learned a little bit in terms of roster construction. We obviously have some really great young players that are still growing. Get rid of the redundant players, free up some cap space and work on getting some hustle players like Hyman throughout the lineup.

 

[yubbers]

Once again ppl fail to see what the variable was since we've slid.

Hint..... It's not Babcock

 

[yubbers]

Shanny should be fired for thinking those 2 had any chance working well together.

 

[Bluelines]

Did he ruin the Maple Leafs?

Is this the Maple Leafs that picked first over all? The same Leafs who under Babcock set a franchise record for points a few short years after that 1st over all pick?

 

[BrainyBomber]

Once again ppl fail to see what the variable was since we've slid.

Hint..... It's not Babcock

Near league leading injuries and a subpar Andersen you mean.

But we've significantly improved since Babs was canned despite these.

 

[Crease Master]

It's been a while, but one question has been burning me since Mike Babcock was fired. Did Mike Babcock almost ruin the Toronto Maple Leafs?

I took a look at the "Marner Situation", the deals I think Mike Babcock influenced, and other players who were impacted by Babcock's coaching on his previous teams.

Wrote the article here, check it out if you want, and give me your thoughts!
https://www.overtimeheroics.net/ind...ation-did-mike-babcock-almost-ruin-the-leafs/

This is so stupid it hurts to think about. A coach doesn't have the ability to ruin anything unless Marner or whatever player allows it to happen. If things are ruined, and they are not, its because the players allowed it to be ruined not the coach. The players are the reason a team succeeds or fails but nobody around here ever wants them to be held responsible, it always has to be somebody else's fault. Its the nasty media, the stupid coach, the demanding market, the difficult schedule, or the crummy gm that causes the team to struggle but never in a million years is it because the players are a bunch of sassy self satisfied fancy pants who pick and choose when to put in a solid effort. Oh no, the players couldn't possibly be responsible for playing poorly, their delicate millennial feelings might get bruised. Grow up and put the responsibility where it belongs.

 

[yubbers]

Near league leading injuries and a subpar Andersen you mean.

But we've significantly improved since Babs was canned despite these.

one day maybe you'll have actual success to rest your hat on instead of excuses

We can talk when that happens

 

[saltming]

And Edm was offering more to Clarkson so I guess in your opinion he signed here for a discount and was worth more than what we paid him .

and pretty much every UFA said they were offered more but what someone gets offered doesn’t mean they're worth what they signed for

The list of overpaid ufa’s players is long and Johnny Mumbles is on it .

Seems like you answered yourself. So perhaps a bit of get over it is in order?

 

[Mess]

After watching Leafs get embarrassed 6-3 by losing to a 42 year old Zamboni driver goalie I was finally convinced Babcock was the problem and change was needed.

 

[tokyoite]

YES.

 

[hotpaws]

Seems like you answered yourself. So perhaps a bit of get over it is in order?

seems like you should stay out of a discussion you clearly don't understand