GDT: Devils vs. Stars 8:30 MSG+ part II

[Devils Dominion]

This is the same thing I say when someone says ''Well, Cory got lit up in the 3rd because our own guys scored own goals on him''.

If Bishop hadn't played so mediocre early on, he wouldn't have had to be a factor in the 3rd.

He played a less than mediocre game, but you can cherry pick a period if you want.

Hard to take your hot take seriously, did you watch the 3rd period?
Doesn't sound like it

 

[Bleedred]

Hard to take your hot take seriously, did you watch the 3rd period?
Doesn't sound like it

No, I slept through it.

But keep cherrypicking.

This reminds me of when people (I know not you in this case) champion our goalies for having a great period, despite letting in trash goals early on.

Bishop was the REASON why we were in this game in the first place, but I know it's your shtick here, so I'll let you have your moment.

Besides, I already kind of called in the last thread.

 

[Devils Dominion]

No, I slept through it.

But keep cherrypicking.

This reminds me of when people (I know not you in this case) champion our goalies for having a great period, despite letting in trash goals early on.

Bishop was the REASON why we were in this game in the first place, but I know it's your shtick here, so I'll let you have your moment.

Besides, I already kind of called in the last thread.

Have many saves did he have in the 3rd ?

And on legit scoring chances.

Like I said, he closed the gate on the 3rd

 

[NjDevsRR]

Bishop did make a couple key saves in the third, especially the one where Zajac one timed it out of midair and he got a blocker on it. But Bishop wasn’t a difference maker in this shitshow of a game, not even close. Dallas sucked less than NJ tonight and thats why they won.

 

[Bleedred]

Have many saves did he have in the 3rd ?

And on legit scoring chances.

Like I said, he closed the gate on the 3rd

Why does it matter when he was mediocre earlier in the game?

After looking at all the goals, I think I'd only give him off on the Bratt goal, but he looked really dumb on the Stafford goal and was backed into his net. I wouldn't nail him on that one. He didn't play quite as bad on replay as it looked in real time.

If you think 4 goals on 33 shots warrants a lot of praise, you don't set the bar very high, but I am talking to the same guy who thinks Mrazek is good, Hammond was a late bloomer and not a fluke and that Jake Allen is a good young goalie.

 

[Bleedred]

Bishop did make a couple key saves in the third, especially the one where Zajac one timed it out of midair and he got a blocker on it. But Bishop wasn’t a difference maker in this ****show of a game, not even close. Dallas sucked less than NJ tonight and thats why they won.

Yeah, he didn't play quite as bad on replay as I thought he did in real time. I thought the Bratt goal wasn't great, and he looked bad on the Stafford goal, but I can't nail him on that one.

He really wasn't a difference maker though. The Stars outplayed the Devils, much more than Bishop outplayed Blackwood.

I don't think he was really a big factor in this game.

 

[Devils Dominion]

Why does it matter when he was mediocre earlier in the game?

After looking at all the goals, I think I'd only give him off on the Bratt goal, but he looked really dumb on the Stafford goal and was backed into his net. I wouldn't nail him on that one. He didn't play quite as bad on replay as it looked in real time.

If you think 4 goals on 33 shots warrants a lot of praise, you don't set the bar very high, but I am talking to the same guy who thinks Mrazek is good, Hammond was a late bloomer and not a fluke and that Jake Allen is a good young goalie.

One somewhat soft goal allowed by Bishop tonight.

 

[Devils Dominion]

Bishop did make a couple key saves in the third, especially the one where Zajac one timed it out of midair and he got a blocker on it. But Bishop wasn’t a difference maker in this ****show of a game, not even close. Dallas sucked less than NJ tonight and thats why they won.

Bishop was very good in the 3rd.

But Dallas didn't have a defenseman forget how to defend and let a Devil skate in all alone on a face-off

 

[billingtons ghost]

I suppose Cory and his .851% hasn't been bad either....

I don't wanna rail on Kinkaid, but isn't it possible that he's just a backup and nothing better? And that's why he hasn't been that great at save percentage?

Let's be honest - these guys are off their game, and soon BigMac will be too. You can face 42, get a little lucky with guys shooting it right into you, pinging a few off the post, but still feel great and make some super excellent saves. You can carry that forward for a game or two.

Sooner or later the Seversons and Vatanens are gonna getcha.

It just catches up. Ultimately Cory turned himself inside out and nuked his confidence. I'm not saying he 'hasn't been bad' - but I'd say about 99% of that badness is a direct result of our D corps.

Like I said, you can put out defensemen who don't know how to play defense for a while, but you'd better have a veteran goalie with nerves of steel, otherwise either the shot counts or the nuttiness is going to get to you.

Do you remember the game where Kinkaid gave up a goal because Wood ran himself into a wall?

It's like that, man. You can't be a party to this stuff and walk away unscathed.

 

[billingtons ghost]

I don't understand why people think Butcher is bad.

He's actually been better than Severson and Vatanen lately.

I just don't understand.

I agree that he's not bad. I'm just saying you'd better ice at least 3 defensemen who can play defense. Butcher has been certainly better lately after seemingly having taken a step backward at the beginning of the season, but let's not confuse him with a shutdown defensemen who can play 20 minutes.

He's a luxury item, and that's the only reason I'd sit him.

 

[Triumph]

Butcher is not a luxury item. He's being given a lot more ice time now and he's doing quite well with it.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Butcher is not a luxury item. He's being given a lot more ice time now and he's doing quite well with it.

He has looked solid lately, wish he can improve that footspeed though but it is what it is. I like the player.

 

[Bleedred]

Let's be honest - these guys are off their game, and soon BigMac will be too. You can face 42, get a little lucky with guys shooting it right into you, pinging a few off the post, but still feel great and make some super excellent saves. You can carry that forward for a game or two.

Sooner or later the Seversons and Vatanens are gonna getcha.

It just catches up. Ultimately Cory turned himself inside out and nuked his confidence. I'm not saying he 'hasn't been bad' - but I'd say about 99% of that badness is a direct result of our D corps.

Like I said, you can put out defensemen who don't know how to play defense for a while, but you'd better have a veteran goalie with nerves of steel, otherwise either the shot counts or the nuttiness is going to get to you.

Do you remember the game where Kinkaid gave up a goal because Wood ran himself into a wall?

It's like that, man. You can't be a party to this stuff and walk away unscathed.

Cory's been bad for 100 games. I'm surprised that his biggest critic back when he was actually still great, thinks that it's the defense or the team's fault that he sucks.

99% badness of the D corps? I'd say it's 99% because he has a bad hip.

 

[glenwo2]

Also:

Who threw the "Greene traded for Tarasenko in the GDT tonight.", that was well timed.

That had me checking main trade board for about... half a second...........

I was in disbelief that we might have somehow packaged greene and some goods up (into gold) somehow for Tarasenko

I don't think even Chiarelli would make that deal if he was the GM.

 

[Cult of Hynes]

Outshot 25-2 in the first period and a half lol. This is the most unlikable coaching staff we have had. And we had PDB.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Never seen a game where a team is outshot 25-2 in the first half and then proceeds to outshoot the other team 32-15 in the second half.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Mac was brilliant regardless of the outcome. That would have been a 8 goal against game with Cory and perhaps even with Kink. He made some impressive lateral saves and his big frame came in handy.

 

[MadDevil]

I got busy at work and missed all of this one. Sounds like we started badly but then played better the second half of the game?

 

[NjDevsRR]

I got busy at work and missed all of this one. Sounds like we started badly but then played better the second half of the game?

Had a 1-0 lead. Then was outshot 25-2 at one point. Was down 4-2, tied it up in the second. Then Dallas got an early goal to make it 5-4.

Mac was outstanding. All goals were a result of HORRENDOUS team play in the dzone. They were just walking into the slot.

 

[Nubmer6]

I got busy at work and missed all of this one. Sounds like we started badly but then played better the second half of the game?

First few minutes were good and we took the lead. Then we were outshot something like 24-0 for the next half of a game. Somehow we still tied it and could have take a point if not for a bone-headed play by Vats. We pushed hard in the last 10 minutes and almost tied it on several occasions but couldn't manage to get it done.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Some of the blown coverage on these goals should have gotten people benched.

It was disgusting.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Some of the blown coverage on these goals should have gotten people benched.

It was disgusting.

I’m seeing NHL veterans making these mistakes on a regular basis. This is beyond the players, its the staff as well.

 

[Nubmer6]

Despite the loss, I take a couple positives out of this game.

1. Mac was outstanding again, and (more importantly to me) didn't seem emotionally fragile. He didn't just cave in after giving up goals.
2. Stafford had probably his best game since the beginning of last year. It gives me some slight hope he can become somewhat serviceable.

 

[Nubmer6]

I’m seeing NHL veterans making these mistakes on a regular basis. This is beyond the players, its the staff as well.

This is what finally got me to believe we need a coaching change. Not necessarially because the coaching staff is bad, but because the players seem to have tuned them out at this point. They keep making the same mistakes over and over.

 

[Bleedred]

Despite the loss, I take a couple positives out of this game.

1. Mac was outstanding again, and (more importantly to me) didn't seem emotionally fragile. He didn't just cave in after giving up goals.
2. Stafford had probably his best game since the beginning of last year. It gives me some slight hope he can become somewhat serviceable.

Maybe it's just JQ doing this to me, but I think Stafford looks not that bad when compared to him. JQ looks more like frickin, what's that guy with the Irish name that we had a few years back? The one who won the AHL MVP and we acquired him from the Kings? Brian O'Neal or Neal O'Brien or some shit like that?

Stafford has been okay, serviceable at least. Don't want him back after this year under any circumstance whatsoever, but we definitely have bigger do-nothings that we're icing.