wood noesen palms? if i’m reading that right
As in Miles Wood? 19 goals while playing 12 minutes a night and getting less PP time than Zacha last year Miles Wood? If only Zacha had as much opportunity...
wood noesen palms? if i’m reading that right
You're still talking bottom 6 no matter how you slice it. What top 6 pick starts his career in the bottom 6. For two years no less. Please. For all the excuses made for this poor ass coaching staff there are as many irrational comments made about Zacha. I am not claiming he's a superstar in shackles but you have to admit he has been handled about as poorly as poor can be... it's almost mind boggling to me that I am the only person who is really saying this....As in Miles Wood? 19 goals while playing 12 minutes a night and getting less PP time than Zacha last year Miles Wood? If only Zacha had as much opportunity...
You're still talking bottom 6 no matter how you slice it. What top 6 pick starts his career in the bottom 6. For two years no less. Please. For all the excuses made for this poor ass coaching staff there as as many irrational comments made about Zacha. I am not claiming he's a superstar in shackles but you have to admit he has been handled about as poorly as poor can be... it's almost mind boggling to me that I am the only person who is really saying this....
After a solid year of Larsson playing on the top pairing getting opportunity after opportunity and just failing people still wanted to blame coaching...in this instance there is no opportunity and plenty of good play and no one sees a coaching issue.
I don't know I think ya'all nuts honestly.
i know you said you didn’t watch the preseason, but zacha was dominating out there. it didn’t matter who was on his wings...he was driving play, he was physical, you noticed him on 90% of his ice time. this isn’t the first preseason he’s done it. so we know he’s capable, regardless of who he plays with. so why don’t we see that same kind of mindset/style once the games start to matter?
i agree that he has been handled poorly, but i think it’s more that he was rushed rather than his supporting cast holding him back
Looking dominant against AHL competition? A full NHL squad on both sides? From the top 6 or bottom 6?
Too many variables in the preseason to make sweeping assessments. And you really don't know what a particular player is trying to accomplish in the preseason. Some guys are there to win a job, some to get their game speed back into shape, some to prove they are still capable, some to work on a certain aspects of their game... it's really glorified practice.
Tell me how Hischier earned his spot? Tell me how Larsson earned his spot on the top pairing and PP time as a rookie, tell me how Severson earned his intro on the top pairing as a rookie, tell me how Henrique earned his spot between Kovalchuk and Parise, tell me Rafalski earned his spot with Stevens as a rookie, tell me how Niedermayer earned his spot with Stevens as a rookie, tell me how Zajac ended up on the first line as a rookie, tell me how Sykora earned his spot as a top line center as a rookie, tell me how Kevin Todd earned spot as a top line center as a rookie... I can probably find another dozen examples, those are just from memory...At some point it's on Pavel Zacha to earn bigger minutes and responsibilties. They're not going to be handed to him simply because he's a top 10 pick. And if you're going to throw Nico in my face, you're going to lose the argument because he proved capable of being a top line forward. So far Zacha has not shown the kind of offensive production to be a top 6 forward. I hope that he does and I (and every other Zacha skeptic) end up looking like fools.
You're still talking bottom 6 no matter how you slice it. What top 6 pick starts his career in the bottom 6. For two years no less. Please. For all the excuses made for this poor ass coaching staff there are as many irrational comments made about Zacha. I am not claiming he's a superstar in shackles but you have to admit he has been handled about as poorly as poor can be... it's almost mind boggling to me that I am the only person who is really saying this....
After a solid year of Larsson playing on the top pairing getting opportunity after opportunity and just failing people still wanted to blame coaching...in this instance there is no opportunity and plenty of good play and no one sees a coaching issue.
I don't know I think ya'all nuts honestly.
Tell me how Hischier earned his spot? Tell me how Larsson earned his spot on the top pairing and PP time as a rookie
tell me how Severson earned his intro on the top pairing as a rookie
tell me how Henrique earned his spot between Kovalchuk and Parise
tell me Rafalski earned his spot with Stevens as a rookie
tell me how Zajac ended up on the first line as a rookie
tell me how Sykora earned his spot as a top line center as a rookie
You give good prospects the best opportunity to succeed...period. Zacha was NEVER given that opportunity. That is not debatable.
Pure nonsense.Because you have delusions about what a player should earn versus what he should be given. Yes, Zacha played a lot with Noesen and Wood. These players have also produced at a 3rd line level as Devils. The next two forwards he played the most with are Kyle Palmieri and Taylor Hall, 2/3rds of the Devils top line. This season he's been put with Marcus Johansson, a player who was in Washington's top 9 always. The Devils' aim is not to make sure that Pavel Zacha puts up points so that he can silence his critics on HF. It's to win games.
Revisionist history and I'm not a Larsson guy by any means. There is not 'plenty of good play' by Zacha. He's played adequately. He's not making a large impact out there. 9 shots in 9 games isn't enough. He deserves more than 0 points, but more than 2 or 3, I don't really think so.
Looking dominant against AHL competition? A full NHL squad on both sides? From the top 6 or bottom 6?
Too many variables in the preseason to make sweeping assessments. And you really don't know what a particular player is trying to accomplish in the preseason. Some guys are there to win a job, some to get their game speed back into shape, some to prove they are still capable, some to work on a certain aspects of their game... it's really glorified practice.
Pure nonsense.
The Devils job is absolutely to insure a 19 year old #6 overall has the absolute best opportunity to succeed.
Talk about revisionist history, you want look at the last 9 games this season and dismiss the abuse of the first two seasons. You want to talk about 262 minutes with Hall over 3 seasons and dismiss his partners for good portion of his first season were Bennet and Josefson and if the two soft ass glass players could stay healthy theyd probably be his most common partners
Stop it already. He has been poorly managed, in fact one of the worst instances of player management I have ever seen here in New Jersey. Sure, he maybe just average player who happen to be taken high like Larsson but he was never given the opportunity to succeed like other players of his pedigree and that simply isn't debatable.
His style of play was completely different. Hell it has been different since game 1. You were most likely correct in stating that getting stoned like he did in game 1 messed with him. He has been playing a lot more timid since then.
That isn’t to say he has been useless dog **** like some people want to argue, or that he is the reason somehow we lost a game 8-3 last night (which is a super silly take).
He absolutely can be a more active participant in his own success though. Specifically he needs to shoot more. It’s one of the things holding him back.
I think the argument his current lack of success falls completely on the lap of coaching doesn’t ring true.
Last year the Devils were 15-14-5 when outshooting their opponent, when being outshot they were 24-12-4. There's plenty of meaningless shots but not many meaningless goals. I despise corsi and every stupid ****ing conversation that takes place afterward when these numbers are cited.
would you guys trade zacha for ho-sang and a 3rd? one project for another, and we can bundle our 3rds and get another 2nd. i believe he’s a RW, too
I see little value in “shot attempts” when those attempts are soft biscuits from bad angles destined to go 3 feet wide of the net.
Actual eyeballs watching the game last night showed you Nojo put nothing meaningful towards the net. In fairness neither did Zacha, but this idea that Nojo was playing well and carrying his line is absurd. It hasn’t happened in this game, it hasn’t happened in any game. He isn’t playing well and his pedigree people keep citing is all the more reason to be harder on him. He should be producing but now we are in year 2 and it still isn’t happening. He isn’t a kid who still needs to learn parts of the game.
It’s always been the biggest failing of Cordell. He throws these stats out there with zero context and it’s why he falls in love with players like Bennet who actually don’t do **** outside of his spreadsheets. There is very little reason to believe he ever pays close attention to what is happening on the ice outside of logging stats into said spreadsheets. If he is even doing that and not just pulling them from other websites. He isn’t someone worth taking seriously.
I have no use for Mojo or Zacha right now. I definitely don't want Mojo re-signed, unless he scores around 50 points this year and it would take the end of the year to find out if he does or not. And also, while he may not show any lasting effects from his concussion and it's too early to say if he has yet, if he scores 40 points or less this year, it's a major red flag to re-sign him, on top of the concussion issue and experiencing a drop off in his first season post-concussion. His points per game as a Devil is already considerably lower than his point per game as a Capital, but it's only 40 games so far.
Furthermore, 9 games into the season and you gotta have a point by now if you're Zacha and used the way Zacha has been used. I still think that he will finish the season with 30 points or so in the end, but the hope was that he would improve in production from his first two years and with this pointless first 9 games, he'd have to go on a pretty good tear (though not an impossible one) to finish with 40 or more points.
The numbers Cordell posted don't tell you Zacha had a good or bad game, it's 1 stat. All it shows is he didn't contribute to enough shot attempts. This is the problem with advanced stats, it's not that there is anything wrong with the stats themselves, it's that people take a single stat with a specific meaning and jump to a much broader conclusion without justifying that the stat can be applied that way.The numbers Cordell posted do not show Zacha having a good game. You guys don't even know what you're arguing against half the time.
You're still talking bottom 6 no matter how you slice it. What top 6 pick starts his career in the bottom 6. For two years no less. Please. For all the excuses made for this poor ass coaching staff there are as many irrational comments made about Zacha. I am not claiming he's a superstar in shackles but you have to admit he has been handled about as poorly as poor can be... it's almost mind boggling to me that I am the only person who is really saying this....
After a solid year of Larsson playing on the top pairing getting opportunity after opportunity and just failing people still wanted to blame coaching...in this instance there is no opportunity and plenty of good play and no one sees a coaching issue.
I don't know I think ya'all nuts honestly.