Devils 2020-21 team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part III

[MartyOwns]

Some of you guys are overeating Nylander. Especially at those prices.

Nevermind it doesn't address the real holes on the team.

what are we doing?

 

[AfroThunder396]

I will eat as much Nylander as I want, damn it.

 

[thestonedkoala]

What are your guys opinion on McLeod? He's been a disappointment since he has been drafted (injuries haven't helped)

 

[beekay414]

What are your guys opinion on McLeod? He's been a disappointment since he has been drafted (injuries haven't helped)

Yeah, he's been a disappointment but he's an NHLer. Should be able to lead a strong 4th line when the time comes.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Yeah, he's been a disappointment but he's an NHLer. Should be able to lead a strong 4th line when the time comes.

Is he available for trade?

 

[beekay414]

Is he available for trade?

I'm sure he's not off limits, if that's what you mean.

 

[EliasFTW]

I will eat as much Nylander as I want, damn it.

Eat as much as you like. I prefer Hyman

 

[NJ Fan 12]

Dunn is definitely at top 4 defenseman. My only gripe is that he is more of what we have already, undersized offensive minded and a bit of a mess in his own zone. This is according to blues fans description of him. So maybe he could be as good as Vatanen for us? Idk maybe we could just bring vats back in the off-season and keep the draft picks. I really want to get a big and decent defensive defenseman. We need some size back there. Also on edmundson he has really looked lost this year even in his own end. He does not look like the same player that he was in St. Louis to me

Can see your point in terms of playing style but wouldn't put any of the current Devils defensemen in Dunn's class in terms of ability (unless perhaps PK can resurrect his game).

Walman in the Blues' system is also worth a look if he is available.

 

[Forge]

What are your guys opinion on McLeod? He's been a disappointment since he has been drafted (injuries haven't helped)

Penalty killer and bottom sixer, that type of thing.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Is he available for trade?

I think a lot of people are willing to give McLeod another shot to stick in NJ, but if you have a young defenseman with NHL potential you're willing to swap him for I'd certainly listen.

 

[Nico Hischier]

Can see your point in terms of playing style but wouldn't put any of the current Devils defensemen in Dunn's class in terms of ability (unless perhaps PK can resurrect his game).

Walman in the Blues' system is also worth a look if he is available.

Oh don’t get me wrong he would be our best defenseman with severson. I just feel we lack size and physicality and Dunn is another offensive minded, undersized defenseman in my opinion. Would still love to get him

 

[TrufleShufle]

Eat as much as you like. I prefer Hyman

This joke could get you a knock on your door depending on your age...

 

[Better Call Sal]

Eat as much as you like. I prefer Hyman

jeeeeeeeesus

 

[Brodeur]

Elliotte Friedman mentioning that it's possible that Edmonton doesn't qualify Andreas Athanasiou, not sure if he'd be of interest to us if he hits the open market.

 

[Triumph]

Elliotte Friedman mentioning that it's possible that Edmonton doesn't qualify Andreas Athanasiou, not sure if he'd be of interest to us if he hits the open market.

I love the idea of Athanasiou - love guys that can just blow by defenses - but the reality is that he's just not effective anywhere else. He'd be a last resort IMO.

 

[Shakir ONeal]

So Friedman confirmed “New Jersey appealed to the NHL about this, saying Return to Play guidelines devalued the Devils’ return in the original trade” in regards to the ARI pick. Does this mean the league is still deciding on this?

 

[Guttersniped]

McLeod hasn’t scored a single goal in 32 games. He only played in 12 games last season and he’s improved otherwise but he’s not going to stick around long next season if he can’t start getting more pucks on net. It’s not bad luck, he only had 11 shots and 2 assists. The only forwards with a lower S/60 were Anderson (they were practically tied & Anderson had 4G 2A in 18 games), Zacha, Zajac & Seney.

The guy that has a real shot to end up in the bottom six is Merkley. His advance stats are comparatively good (though it’s only four games so who knows), he had 1g 1a and he’s a hit machine. Hopefully he can stay healthy & make things happen in camp.

 

[Devils731]

So Friedman confirmed “New Jersey appealed to the NHL about this, saying Return to Play guidelines devalued the Devils’ return in the original trade” in regards to the ARI pick. Does this mean the league is still deciding on this?

The quote reads to me like it’s over but it’s ambiguous. The league announced a bunch of trade tweaks already so I would have expected it announced then; unless the league told the Devils to wait to see if it mattered.

31 Thoughts: How will Dubas handle Maple Leafs’ off-season? - Sportsnet.ca

25. The optimist is thrilled because New Jersey has three first-rounders in a deep draft: theirs, Arizona’s and Vancouver’s. The pessimist thinks: Man, we could have done better. Arizona’s first-rounder in the Taylor Hall deal was top-three protected, and the Coyotes’ victory over Nashville erased the Devils’ possibility of a second lottery selection. (New Jersey appealed to the NHL about this, saying Return to Play guidelines devalued the Devils’ return in the original trade.)

As for the Canucks’ selection, I’m betting Jersey would have happily gambled to see what occurred next season. If Vancouver missed the playoffs this season, the Devils got their number one next year no matter what.

 

[Emperoreddy]

The quote reads to me like it’s over but it’s ambiguous. The league announced a bunch of trade tweaks already so I would have expected it announced then; unless the league told the Devils to wait to see if it mattered.

31 Thoughts: How will Dubas handle Maple Leafs’ off-season? - Sportsnet.ca

25. The optimist is thrilled because New Jersey has three first-rounders in a deep draft: theirs, Arizona’s and Vancouver’s. The pessimist thinks: Man, we could have done better. Arizona’s first-rounder in the Taylor Hall deal was top-three protected, and the Coyotes’ victory over Nashville erased the Devils’ possibility of a second lottery selection. (New Jersey appealed to the NHL about this, saying Return to Play guidelines devalued the Devils’ return in the original trade.)

As for the Canucks’ selection, I’m betting Jersey would have happily gambled to see what occurred next season. If Vancouver missed the playoffs this season, the Devils got their number one next year no matter what.

I dont get what Friedman is saying we were denied a second lotto pick? There was no way we kept the pick if Arizona lost to Nashville and then moved up. What was devalued on that end?

 

[Forge]

I dont get what Friedman is saying we were denied a second lotto pick? There was no way we kept the pick if Arizona lost to Nashville and then moved up. What was devalued on that end?

I think the devalued part was due to the qualifying round giving Arizona a much better chance of reaching the post season than they had at the time of the shut down.

 

[Shakir ONeal]

Would be awesome if they alter the conditions on the other pick, say starts at a 2nd and if they advance or he resigns it becomes a 1st

but you’re right we probably would have heard about that by now

 

[njdevils1982]

Eat as much as you like. I prefer Hyman

oh behave

 

[glenwo2]

oh behave

 

[R8Devs]

The quote reads to me like it’s over but it’s ambiguous. The league announced a bunch of trade tweaks already so I would have expected it announced then; unless the league told the Devils to wait to see if it mattered.

31 Thoughts: How will Dubas handle Maple Leafs’ off-season? - Sportsnet.ca

25. The optimist is thrilled because New Jersey has three first-rounders in a deep draft: theirs, Arizona’s and Vancouver’s. The pessimist thinks: Man, we could have done better. Arizona’s first-rounder in the Taylor Hall deal was top-three protected, and the Coyotes’ victory over Nashville erased the Devils’ possibility of a second lottery selection. (New Jersey appealed to the NHL about this, saying Return to Play guidelines devalued the Devils’ return in the original trade.)

As for the Canucks’ selection, I’m betting Jersey would have happily gambled to see what occurred next season. If Vancouver missed the playoffs this season, the Devils got their number one next year no matter what.

Bettman to rule on dispute between Coyotes, John Chayka - Sportsnet.ca
this video came out on August 1st (after the Devils received clarification on the Vatanen deal) and he says (starts at 3:50ish) at this point in time the league hasn't ruled on it. But things could change in a week -- I wish he was more explicit here though because like you said it's ambiguous.

 

[Triumph]

I don't think that the league will give the Devils anything here because the trade was made in December, not February, so sure the Return to Play devalued the pick relative to its value in March but I don't think it can be said to have realistically done so in December. But it's worth a shot.