Devils 2018-19 team discussion (news and notes) - part Xlll

[Stephen Gionta]

I feel that signing Erik Karlsson would solve a lot of problems for these #NJDevils . If you're able to somehow sign Karlsson (something like 7 years, 12.5-13 mil per), that would allow Ray Shero to package Damon Severson for a huge upgrade at LHD. For example, perhaps Hampus Lindholm was made available for whatever reason. Murray seems to be very confused.


Sign Karlsson. (One can dream)
Trade Severson, McLeod, Butcher, and a draft pick for Hampus Lindholm (One can have two dreams)
Draft Bowen Byram (One can dream three times)

Lindholm - Karlsson
Smith - Vatanen
Greene - Santini/Mueller
Extras: Mueller/Santini and Byram.


Then you wake up from the dream to find that Karlsson signed longterm in San Jose or end up on the Rangers.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

damon severson is basically jake gardiner from 4 years ago. Always going to be hated because of his d zone awareness and is prone to make big mistakes. The descriptions the haters of Severson provide of him make him sounds like the worst defensive D man of all time though. Lets be a bit realistic here fellas, he's not great in the d zone but he also makes some good plays in the d zone.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I'd love to have Karlsson but I highly doubt he is getting $13 million/year

no other DMan even makes over $9

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Look man, if you think every contending team in the NHL plays with the same lineup for the entire season, I don't know what to tell you.

oh come on, dont give me that crap. Now youre just wordsmithing me and you know it

You made it seem like making daily defensive changes throughout the season is normal for contenders and its so far from the truth. Dont try and make it seem now that I was saying they make zero changes throughout the season to their pairings.

Contenders do not change their defensive lineups for any other reasons than injuries, losing streaks, and disciplinary reasons. SOMETIMES to experiment and thats usually involving new young players.

Yet the way you want the Devils pairings, daily lineup changes would be a staple and that simply is not how you make a coherent defensive lineup.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

I'd love to have Karlsson but I highly doubt he is getting $13 million/year

no other DMan even makes over $9

Doughty extension is 11

 

[indfin]

i think cory gets bought out. whatever money is saved in cap space would buy us close to replacement level goaltending

There is probably plenty of room (for a couple of years, minimum) under the cap without buying out Cory. The bigger issue is whether the owners want to spend that money. I'm not saying they are cheap/won't spend, but having been burned with that contract, you can imagine why they might not want to spend several million more for what may not move the needle much with the team.

I think Blackwood will be given every opportunity over the next 35 games to prove that he can be at least a 1A/1B goaltender. And then they sign some veteran to hopefully play only 25-30 games. Of course, they might just have Cory as the second goalie. If Hall doesn't sign an extension before the start of next season, they will trade him (assuming its for picks/prospects, you are going full tank mode at that point).

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

damon severson is basically jake gardiner from 4 years ago. Always going to be hated because of his d zone awareness and is prone to make big mistakes. The descriptions the haters of Severson provide of him make him sounds like the worst defensive D man of all time though. Lets be a bit realistic here fellas, he's not great in the d zone but he also makes some good plays in the d zone.

Gardiner has 1 season below 31 pts... Severson highest point producing season is just that, 31 pts.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

Gardiner has 1 season below 31 pts... Severson highest point producing season is just that, 31 pts.

As of 24 my man, I said of 4 years ago

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

There is probably plenty of room (for a couple of years, minimum) under the cap without buying out Cory. The bigger issue is whether the owners want to spend that money. I'm not saying they are cheap/won't spend, but having been burned with that contract, you can imagine why they might not want to spend several million more for what may not move the needle much with the team.

I think Blackwood will be given every opportunity over the next 35 games to prove that he can be at least a 1A/1B goaltender. And then they sign some veteran to hopefully play only 25-30 games. Of course, they might just have Cory as the second goalie. If Hall doesn't sign an extension before the start of next season, they will trade him (assuming its for picks/prospects, you are going full tank mode at that point).

its moreso about a roster spot than it is about saving cap space

you can't carry 3 goalies for the season

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

For the past two years it seems all I heard here was Moore was dragging down Severson, now this year it's Greene fault.

Next year he'll probably be playing with someone else new and that poor unnamed defenseman better watch out, because he will be the one holding Severson back from being a superstar I'm sure.

When does the blame for his lack of progress actually fall on Severson himself? Is a 25-35 points/year "defenseman" enough of an offensive hero that can escape all blame for his defensive shortcomings/lapses leading directly to goals against for people here? I mean, Vatanen has actually scored 35+ points twice in his career (Severson might get there this year for the first time) and gets roasted here with regularity for not playing defense properly.

like I said, +/- doesnt serve many purposes anymore but it does for same pair dmen over large sample sizes. Greene being a +1 and Severson a -13 is very telling of what a lot are seemingly ignoring.

also how much is a defenseman going to improve in his own end after 320+ games?

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

Gardiner has 1 season below 31 pts... Severson highest point producing season is just that, 31 pts.

Through age 24 seasons:

Jake Gardiner - 246 games played, 89 points .36 PPG
Damon Severson - 325 games played, 115 points .35 PPG

 

[Patrik26]

FYI...

Coleman should go to the ASG then. I don't want to hear Palmieri. Coleman has been the more consistent of the two plus he excels on the PK.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

I'd love to have Karlsson but I highly doubt he is getting $13 million/year

no other DMan even makes over $9

I believe that's what it would take for him to consider the Devils.

Also the bolded is true as of right now, but will be false in about 5 and a half months from now. Drew Doughty contract will kick in at 11 million next season.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

Coleman should go to the ASG then. I don't want to hear Palmieri. Coleman has been the more consistent of the two plus he excels on the PK.

I would like to see Nico go, but i wouldnt hate coleman or palms since neither of them will really get another chance i dont think.

 

[billingtons ghost]

Imagine watching Greene and Severson play hockey together and determining that Severson is the one dragging the pairing down and needs to be traded.

Imagine saying Damon Severson is our best defenseman.

 

[indfin]

its moreso about a roster spot than it is about saving cap space

you can't carry 3 goalies for the season

Agreed ... I assume Kinkaid is not back next year. Blackwood (unless he is a disaster the rest of the season) is one of them. Then either Cory is the other or they sign some veteran, which case Cory is either bought out or is a very highly-paid AHL goalie. I would buy him out ... you can handle the dead cap space and give him a shot to resurrect himself somewhere else, and leave the AHL to someone that might have a future in your organization. If it bounces back somewhere else, so it goes. There is zero reason to think it can happen here.

However, if they think Blackwood can give them 55-60 starts as a legitimate goaltender, I could see them having Cory as the backup, at least to start the season.

If they can get something for Cory as part of trade while retaining some salary (maybe some team needs to get to the cap floor), great. That's assuming the Devils don't need him to get to the cap floor

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Through age 24 seasons:

Jake Gardiner - 246 games played, 89 points .36 PPG
Damon Severson - 325 games played, 115 points .35 PPG

and Jake Gardiner overstayed his welcome in Toronto

learn a lesson from their mistakes

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

and Jake Gardiner overstayed his welcome in Toronto

learn a lesson from their mistakes

He conveniently got much better when the team overall got better, interesting. Also he is having a good year, unless we are now taking the opinion of Toronto fans as facts.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Jake Gardiner, Damon Severson - theyre offensive minded PMD who need a defensive specialist as a partner or they are exposed almost every game, especially on the road. We already have two other of those in Butcher and Vatanen except those two serve many other purposes while Severson does not

Toronto isnt resigning Gardiner as a contender and thats exactly what Severson will become so what exactly makes us want to keep Severson until hes 29?

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

He conveniently got much better when the team overall got better, interesting. Also he is having a good year, unless we are now taking the opinion of Toronto fans as facts.

an offensive PMD got better with a high powered offense? gee what a shocker...

he has not improved defensively if thats what youre getting at

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

not comfortable overpaying for a goalie like talbot/varlamov only to have marginal improvements if any. talbot is worse than kinkaid and varlamov isnt much better this season. also, injury prone. these are mediocre goalies in bad defensive systems and not able to achieve league average goaltending. how would the results differ much from what we have now. we are going to waste close to 10 million on mediocre goaltending next year.

I realize free agency dreaming has taken over the board the past day or so, but back in the real world the Devils could be near and potentially below the cap floor if there are exchanges like Boqvist for MarJo and Cory is bought out/LTIR. If a goalie was willing to take a year contract we could overpay. My guess is that the Devils will make a deal that adds some salary for next year in a trade, but if that does not happen overpaying a player (goalie as example) for a year could be necessary to get to the floor.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

Jake Gardiner, Damon Severson - theyre offensive minded PMD who need a defensive specialist as a partner or they are exposed almost every game, especially on the road. We already have two other of those in Butcher and Vatanen except those two serve many other purposes while Severson does not

Toronto isnt resigning Gardiner as a contender and thats exactly what Severson will become so what exactly makes us want to keep Severson until hes 29?

toronto would resign him if they didnt have Tavares, Marner, Matthews, Nylander. And I have no problem letting Severson play that contract out or trading him in the right deal. But if we trade him the right side of the defense is pretty bad, we would need to get a top line type forward.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

toronto would resign him if they didnt have Tavares, Marner, Matthews, Nylander. And I have no problem letting Severson play that contract out or trading him in the right deal. But if we trade him the right side of the defense is pretty bad, we would need to get a top line type forward.

Butcher and smith both have played extended stays on RD

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

an offensive PMD got better with a high powered offense? gee what a shocker...

he has not improved defensively if thats what youre getting at

He definitely has improved defensively

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

Butcher and smith both have played extended stays on RD

Smith has in the WHL and Butcher in the NCAA so its not exactly proven. I said I would trade him, but the defense would worry me on how they rebound.