Detroit Red Wings Prospect Tracker 14-15: Part 1

The Zetterberg Era · Oct 20, 2014

Mijatovic said:
Is he an overager?

He is 18 years old.

joe89 · Oct 21, 2014

Both Homer and Ehn are on the last tournament team before the WJC, which obviously doesn't carry any NA playing players.

Full team: http://www.swehockey.se/ImageVaultFiles/id_79793/cf_78/roster_swe_nov_2014_u.PDF

detredWINgs · Oct 21, 2014

Mijatovic said:
Is he an overager?

His draft was 2014. He's 18. No different than being excited about Mantha tearing up the Q in his post-draft year. Like I've said elsewhere, it looks like we recouped our lost 2nd rounder here.

Kind of crazy that if Hicketts keeps this up, he could be fighting for a GRG spot next year. More likely that he spends another year in the Dub, but considering he's already captain and has put on about as much weight as his frame can stand, there might not be much left for him there. Talk about a clogged prospect line.

GBFP · Oct 21, 2014

Hoping for a late teens growth spurt for Hicketts - nothing greedy, just a couple of inches. Anybody know how tall his parents are? Siblings?

ChadS · Oct 21, 2014

detredWINgs said:
His draft was 2014. He's 18. No different than being excited about Mantha tearing up the Q in his post-draft year. Like I've said elsewhere, it looks like we recouped our lost 2nd rounder here.

Kind of crazy that if Hicketts keeps this up, he could be fighting for a GRG spot next year. More likely that he spends another year in the Dub, but considering he's already captain and has put on about as much weight as his frame can stand, there might not be much left for him there. Talk about a clogged prospect line.

What's the U20 rule for undrafted CHL guys? Because if we had drafted him he couldn't play in GR until 2016-17, but I'm not sure how it works with undrafted kids.

detredWINgs · Oct 21, 2014

ChadS said:
What's the U20 rule for undrafted CHL guys? Because if we had drafted him he couldn't play in GR until 2016-17, but I'm not sure how it works with undrafted kids.

Hmm. I thought the rule only protected guys who were drafted by NHL teams out of the CHL, so that the CHL could get their desirable CHL talent back...

ricky0034 · Oct 21, 2014

ChadS said:
What's the U20 rule for undrafted CHL guys? Because if we had drafted him he couldn't play in GR until 2016-17, but I'm not sure how it works with undrafted kids.

not like there's gonna be much room in Grand Rapids until 2016-17 anyways

Konnan511 · Oct 21, 2014

detredWINgs said:
Hmm. I thought the rule only protected guys who were drafted by NHL teams out of the CHL, so that the CHL could get their desirable CHL talent back...

It has nothing to do with being drafted by an NHL team. If you have CHL ownership and have played in the CHL, you cannot play in the AHL prior to being 20.

newfy · Oct 21, 2014

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=735461

Nasty and Bert both named to the OHL subway series team. Nasty is playing in both games not sure what to make of that, Bertuzzi only playing in one. Brendan Lemiuex is playing in the other game from Bertuzzi, I could see them competing for the same rsoter spot

Unfriendly Ghost · Oct 21, 2014

Konnan511 said:
It has nothing to do with being drafted by an NHL team. If you have CHL ownership and have played in the CHL, you cannot play in the AHL prior to being 20.

Not exactly. If a European player is drafted out of Europe, but plays the next year in the CHL, they're AHL eligible right away. Tatar, for example, almost went to the OHL. He would have been able to report to the Griffins the very next year.

SimplySolace · Oct 21, 2014

Mantha update

http://www.mlive.com/griffins/index.ssf/2014/10/anthony_mantha_update_top_pros.html

StormSurge9 · Oct 21, 2014

newfy said:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=735461

Nasty and Bert both named to the OHL subway series team. Nasty is playing in both games not sure what to make of that, Bertuzzi only playing in one. Brendan Lemiuex is playing in the other game from Bertuzzi, I could see them competing for the same rsoter spot

Bertuzzi is only playing in the Thursday game (along with Fabbri/Dickinson/Harpur) because the Guelph Storm play Friday/Saturday/Sunday as well. Shaping up to be a long weekend for those guys.

I don't think it has been noted here before but helping Bertuzzi's Team Canada case is the fact that Guelph's head coach Scott Walker is an assistant with the World Junior squad.

SirloinUB · Oct 21, 2014

SimplySolace said:
Mantha update

http://www.mlive.com/griffins/index.ssf/2014/10/anthony_mantha_update_top_pros.html

4 more weeks (at best) without Mantha for the Griffs according to Ryan Martin.

1 More week of healing. Then he goes for a scan next week. If he is all good he can begin skating. 3 weeks of skating seems more than necessary, but I guess he will need to get his lungs and legs back.

Claypool · Oct 21, 2014

SirloinUB said:
3 weeks of skating seems more than necessary, but I guess he will need to get his lungs and legs back.

You're talking about a player who missed all of training camp and likely hasn't been skating in over a month. He needs to get acclimated with the players and the system. They're not going to throw him in cold turkey.

SirloinUB · Oct 21, 2014

Claypool said:
You're talking about a player who missed all of training camp and likely hasn't been skating in over a month. He needs to get acclimated with the players and the system. They're not going to throw him in cold turkey.

The article mentions that he will be learning the system starting immediately. Obviously learning the "theory" is different from playing in it, but it should give him a head start in acclimating.

Unfriendly Ghost · Oct 21, 2014

Interesting that Nastasiuk is playing both games for team OHL. I think that might be because they need to scout him for the WJCs. He's still playing on a pretty mediocre Owen Sound team, so I'm sure they want to see what he does with some talent.

Not sure what that says about Bertuzzi. Might be that, either way, they've made up their mind about him.

newfy · Oct 21, 2014

Guru Meditation said:
Interesting that Nastasiuk is playing both games for team OHL. I think that might be because they need to scout him for the WJCs. He's still playing on a pretty mediocre Owen Sound team, so I'm sure they want to see what he does with some talent.

Not sure what that says about Bertuzzi. Might be that, either way, they've made up their mind about him.

Stormsurge said up above that Guelph has a few games right after that weekend so the Guelph guys will need to take a breather.

I was going to mention that Guelphhad a coach on the coaching staff, these guys are always biased to their own guys a bit. I think that helps Bertuzzis case, as long as he outplays Lemieux. I've never really watched Lemieux play, does anyone know how he is defensively?

Bertuzzi is supposed to be a great PKer and is good defensively so that could also help in the 4th line pest role over Brendan

Anchor Town* · Oct 21, 2014

DatsyukToZetterberg said:
I also don't like how Franzen & Zetterberg aren't on the team anymore. If they've retired we face huge cap recapture penalties and we've lost all of our veteran core when you add in that Kronwall & Ericsson are also missing.

They both signed their contracts before they were 35, why would there be a cap recapture penalty?

DatsyukToZetterberg · Oct 21, 2014

Anchor Town said:
They both signed their contracts before they were 35, why would there be a cap recapture penalty?

In the new CBA if a player made X amount of money over there cap hit the team receives cap penalties if the player retires early. It's essential a way to make sure that the teams that front loaded the contracts don't benefit anymore than they already have.

For example:

If Zetterberg retires in 2019 the Wings will have a 5M cap hit penalty for that season. If Franzen was to also retire that year we'd have a 2.9M cap hit penalty from him for that season.

You can fool around with the Capgeek tool yourself if you want.

Anchor Town* · Oct 21, 2014

DatsyukToZetterberg said:
In the new CBA if a player made X amount of money over there cap hit the team receives cap penalties if the player retires early. It's essential a way to make sure that the teams that front loaded the contracts don't benefit anymore than they already have.

For example:

If Zetterberg retires in 2019 the Wings will have a 5M cap hit penalty for that season. If Franzen was to also retire that year we'd have a 2.9M cap hit penalty from him for that season.

You can fool around with the Capgeek tool yourself if you want.

They did not grandfather in existing contracts?

Cyborg Yzerberg · Oct 22, 2014

Anchor Town said:
They did not grandfather in existing contracts?

Nope. And everyone thought it was extremely stupid.

Bps21* · Oct 22, 2014

This is why Ehrhoff was bought out. They changed the rules after contracts were signed by the rules that existed.

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Ok so maybe it was done to ensure last place for buffalo...but man it is a reasonable enough excuse that everyone bought it.

Claypool · Oct 22, 2014

Anchor Town said:
They did not grandfather in existing contracts?

Why do you think Shea Weber signed that Flyers deal?

ChadS · Oct 22, 2014

A goal and assist for Janmark in their 6-0 win tonight. 16:36 ice time too.

Here's video of the goal (2:00) and assist (0:18) -> http://www.shl.se/video/standalone/10465551/ttvideo/

Nice wheels on that goal.

Frk It · Oct 22, 2014

ChadS said:
A goal and assist for Janmark in their 6-0 win tonight. 16:36 ice time too.

Here's video of the goal (2:00) and assist (0:18) -> http://www.shl.se/video/standalone/10465551/ttvideo/

Nice wheels on that goal.

That's why you lift lower body, Mattias

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