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Good to get him signed, Jets need to find a way to keep him up because I don't think he clears waivers. Hopefully he's heading right to Penticton.
He's 23 entering his 6th season post-draft. Is he better than any of the regular 6 plus Capo, Heinola or Stanley that they put out last year? And specifically on the left side with Morrissey-Dillon-Samberg?
If not then I don't think the Jets will really be aggressive in trying to free up a spot for a 9-10D. That never really has been their MO.
It seems like Bowness really liked the D group and overall performance from last year. I'm wagering on no change from last season.
Heinola doesn't require waivers so he'll probably end up back on the Moose, and it's not out of line to say that Chisholm has been every bit as good as Heinola at the AHL level. He's also better than Stanley was at the AHL level. He didn't look out of place at all when he played 2 games in the NHL 2 years ago. There's much more potential value in seeing what we have in him than there is sticking with what we know we have in Stanley and Capobianco.He's 23 entering his 6th season post-draft. Is he better than any of the regular 6 plus Capo, Heinola or Stanley that they put out last year? And specifically on the left side with Morrissey-Dillon-Samberg?
If not then I don't think the Jets will really be aggressive in trying to free up a spot for a 9-10D. That never really has been their MO.
It seems like Bowness really liked the D group and overall performance from last year. I'm wagering on no change from last season.
so showcase the metrics/criteria then? Capo was better than all of heinola and Stanley last year imo.Probably depends on the metrics you're using to define better, but I think he could be better than all of Capobianco, Heinola, and Stanley. Personally I think it's a wash between him and Heinola and that both are almost certainly better than Capobianco and Stanley.
As for the top 6 I think he could have the same or similar impact as Pionk or Schmidt, but the problem there is that he's LHD and they're RHD. Chisholm being cost controlled is a point in his favour but if there's no plan to fill out the roster using those potential savings then that point is moot.
I think you could possibly replace Dillon in the top 6 with Chisholm if you can handle the growing pains as he adjusts but it's only like a ~2.2 million cap saving move that we really don't need to make.
idk i just don't see the jets opening up a spot to give him regular NHL time.Heinola doesn't require waivers so he'll probably end up back on the Moose, and it's not out of line to say that Chisholm has been every bit as good as Heinola at the AHL level. He's also better than Stanley was at the AHL level. He didn't look out of place at all when he played 2 games in the NHL 2 years ago. There's much more potential value in seeing what we have in him than there is sticking with what we know we have in Stanley and Capobianco.
so showcase the metrics/criteria then? Capo was better than all of heinola and Stanley last year imo.
Pionk is playing 20+ mins a night and the team has shown 0 signs of them ever demoting him regardless of how he played.
Schmidt was good last year with either Samberg or Dillon. He struggled with Stanley in 21-22, like mostly everyone did, and i think has anchored folks' view on him.
Replace Dillon with Chisholm, c'mon now. I don't think that's even in the ball-park of realm of possibilities. Dillon was real good last year and is our only Defenseman that plays with size and physicality while being one of the best defensively.
I really doubt this team is going to replace one of their top-6 dmen, that are around 20 mins night, or used in high-leverage situations etc w/ a non-elite prospect in a win-now year.
so showcase the metrics/criteria then? Capo was better than all of heinola and Stanley last year imo.
Pionk is playing 20+ mins a night and the team has shown 0 signs of them ever demoting him regardless of how he played.
Schmidt was good last year with either Samberg or Dillon. He struggled with Stanley in 21-22, like mostly everyone did, and i think has anchored folks' view on him.
Replace Dillon with Chisholm, c'mon now. I don't think that's even in the ball-park of realm of possibilities. Dillon was real good last year and is our only Defenseman that plays with size and physicality while being one of the best defensively.
I really doubt this team is going to replace one of their top-6 dmen, that are around 20 mins night, or used in high-leverage situations etc w/ a non-elite prospect in a win-now year.
idk i just don't see the jets opening up a spot to give him regular NHL time.
Re: Schmidt, the "3rd pairing d making almost $6m" slander is ridiculous. Put him with an anchor and he gets anchored down, what a shock. I agree with you on him.
Also agree I don't see where Chisholm breaks in. If he was a left shot I don't think anyone would even care. Lots of players look good in the AHL but can't make the transition, I think Chisholm ends up in that category.
As for the top 6 I think he could have the same or similar impact as Pionk or Schmidt, but the problem there is that he's LHD and they're RHD. Chisholm being cost controlled is a point in his favour but if there's no plan to fill out the roster using those potential savings then that point is moot.
I think you could possibly replace Dillon in the top 6 with Chisholm if you can handle the growing pains as he adjusts but it's only like a ~2.2 million cap saving move that we really don't need to make.
Even at the AHL level, Heinola has played LD. He hasn't been groomed at all for this responsiblity. The right shooting Kovacevik was his partner two years back & last season was the right shooting Gawanke. Unlike the Jets, the Moose have been loaded at RD for several seasons now.My 8 d for this season would be:
Morrissey/DeMelo
Samberg/Pionk
Dillon/Heinola
Chisholm/Schmidt
Pionk is playing 20+ mins a night and the team has shown 0 signs of them ever demoting him regardless of how he played.
Replace Dillon with Chisholm, c'mon now. I don't think that's even in the ball-park of realm of possibilities. Dillon was real good last year and is our only Defenseman that plays with size and physicality while being one of the best defensively.
Because they aren’t better than anyone on the “overpriced d-core”? I don’t feel bad for players who are worse than Schmidt, I feel bad for the Jets. This isn’t a high bar.Going into NHL training camp with the same overpriced d-core that got us to a first round exit last year. Feeling bad for Heinola and Chisholm right now.
Chisholm is a left shot. I'm not saying he should jump straight into the lineup I'm saying he should be kept in the press box for when we get injuries and he should be in the lineup before Capo or Stanley.Re: Schmidt, the "3rd pairing d making almost $6m" slander is ridiculous. Put him with an anchor and he gets anchored down, what a shock. I agree with you on him.
Also agree I don't see where Chisholm breaks in. If he was a left shot I don't think anyone would even care. Lots of players look good in the AHL but can't make the transition, I think Chisholm ends up in that category.
my OP was operating in the lens of what i think the Jets will do. not fantasy-hockey HF talk that hardly ever comes to fruition. hence leading off my points in the OP with "I don't think the Jets will...." & "It seems like Bowness really liked the D group..."So are we predicting what the Jets will do or assessing what we think is best? Because if we're assessing what the Jets will do then that's pretty easy. Obviously they're not replacing Schmidt or Pionk with Chisholm. All I was saying was that his upside is in the territory of those two. I don't think he's that far off either. I think long-term it's better for the team to provide opportunities to players like Chisholm who have dominated at the AHL level.
In that scenario it would be less Chisholm-replacing-Dillon and more Samberg-replacing-Dillon in my view. You're not going to have Chisholm leapfrog Samberg. I think Samberg is a more than adequate replacement of Dillon's minutes and Chisholm would be an adequate replacement of Samberg's role last year.
Because they aren’t better than anyone on the “overpriced d-core”? I don’t feel bad for players who are worse than Schmidt, I feel bad for the Jets. This isn’t a high bar.
Why would you feel bad for the Jets? This is entirely on them. It is the strongest indictment of their ability to draft and develop defenseman than anything else right now. The way I see it, the Jets were unable to get any qualitative value for offloading the overburgeoning defensemen they have on their back end, and they are more valuable to them as proven NHL defense. Conversely, they aren't able to get anything else substantial value for unproven NHL defenseman, but they can't unseat the incumbents because of their contract status.
The Jets have no true number one defenseman, have a number two, two number three's, a number four, and about six number sixes. Heinola and Chisholm are capable of NHL games right now. They are fighting with Stanley and Capobianco for the press box.
I don't disagree with their record on draft/develop dmen.Why would you feel bad for the Jets? This is entirely on them. It is the strongest indictment of their ability to draft and develop defenseman than anything else right now. The way I see it, the Jets were unable to get any qualitative value for offloading the overburgeoning defensemen they have on their back end, and they are more valuable to them as proven NHL defense. Conversely, they aren't able to get anything else substantial value for unproven NHL defenseman, but they can't unseat the incumbents because of their contract status.
The Jets have no true number one defenseman, have a number two, two number three's, a number four, and about six number sixes. Heinola and Chisholm are capable of NHL games right now. They are fighting with Stanley and Capobianco for the press box.
Liked his game in A and when he had a cup of coffee in the NHL. Would hope they keep him around ahead of Stanley and Capobianco.
My 8 d for this season would be:
Morrissey/DeMelo
Samberg/Pionk
Dillon/Heinola
Chisholm/Schmidt
He's 23 entering his 6th season post-draft. Is he better than any of the regular 6 plus Capo, Heinola or Stanley that they put out last year? And specifically on the left side with Morrissey-Dillon-Samberg?
If not then I don't think the Jets will really be aggressive in trying to free up a spot for a 9-10D. That never really has been their MO.
It seems like Bowness really liked the D group and overall performance from last year. I'm wagering on no change from last season.