Dear Michel Therrien,
Thanks for making the habs win!
The theory from micro stats people is that shots generated = offense. Ability to generate shots dictate the ability to generate goals and show how much you have the puck. I think there are several flaws with that theory.
I'm not saying our coach is great, I'm not the biggest fan of Therrien but some of you guys are incapable of giving him any credit at all for anything. He clearly has some qualities. He clearly gets the team to show up and give effort which is more important than anything. The team shows passion and works hard, never gives up. They stick up for each other. There has been a culture change and I just loved seeing the guys stand up for each others in the Ottawa game.
Dear Carey Price,
Thank you for saving my job for me.. I'm forever in your debt.
Your friend, Michel Therrien
Well, how about...
Dear Stephane Waite,
Thank you for making Carey not suck anymore
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I would say that's one of the basic requirements of the job, though. I would be disappointed if my team didn't give an effort or stick up for eachother.I'm not saying our coach is great, I'm not the biggest fan of Therrien but some of you guys are incapable of giving him any credit at all for anything. He clearly has some qualities. He clearly gets the team to show up and give effort which is more important than anything. The team shows passion and works hard, never gives up. They stick up for each other. There has been a culture change and I just loved seeing the guys stand up for each others in the Ottawa game.
Well, how about...
Dear Stephane Waite,
Thank you for making Carey not suck anymore
?
Well yes, if all you take is one game, that theory can be thrown out. Over 80 games? No.
Take Eller, he got 4-5G one game. Going by that sample, he's an elite scorer. But we all know that's not the case.
So if your team really has a strong offense, it will generate a lot of shots over an 80 game period. Exceptions always happen, but generally speaking, I'm not sure how anybody can dispute this.
Also, if goals scored is what you want to base yourself on, then 5 on 5 is what you need to look at for obvious reasons, and we're just not that good there. The good news though is that we went from 29th at 5 on 5 scoring to 21st over the span of 10ish games. Hopefully we can keep it up.
However, the most important stat I'd argue is 5 on 5 ratio, and we're average there. The bad news though is that out of the 16 PO teams today, only the Flyers have a worse one.
This is true.In any event, the POs are a different beast. All the regular season stats get thrown out and things can be completely different. So it's all pretty irrelevant.
I think last season we hid some of our defensive zone coverage deficiencies with our superior puck moving ability from the backend as well as our swarm system. It kept the puck in the other team's zone most of the time and helped us hide some of our weaknesses.That being said, I don't think we've played well most of the year. Our defensive coverage is borderline atrocious out there. Our players all seem confused in our zone when defending at ES, there's still some guys that don't know who to cover or where to position themselves when opponents rush us. It's pretty bad. We regularly got outchanced and outshot, have issues scoring at ES, need Price to make highlight saves every night and our PK to be atop the NHL.
We're not a bad team by any means, but I think we could be a much better structured team and our ES game should be way better.
Last year, we were playing strong, this year not so much. Was a fan of how the kids were treated last year, this year not so much.
I've heard others claim that people can't praise Therrien because they just don't like him. Well, that's not true. I mean, yes he was never my pick and I still don't like him, but I have no issues giving him props for last season and it's the same for most posters. Why would people who have no issues giving out props to Therrien last year would suddenly have some this year despite being 3rd? Maybe there's valid reasons after all.
So you're saying Price sucked before Waite arrived?
Well I don't think that's fair. Every team can be better when you add better players to the roster.I would say that any stats from before Vanek/Weaver joined are not the most relevant.
This team was missing one impact forward and a guy like Weaver pretty bad.
I don't think they were tired last year. I don't know where this excuse originated from. Even during our bad 5 game stretch at the end of the year, we still dominated the opposition. If you don't remember, I suggest maybe re-watching those games if possible for you, Price was not able to stop a beach ball. There were defensive breakdowns for sure, but we still played well.This is true.
But, another thing is that I think the habs have preserved themselves for the playoffs this season. They didn't need to go all out every game like they did in the shortened season last year. This will hopefully make us go into these playoffs healthier and with more gas left in the tank to push it.
I think last season we hid some of our defensive zone coverage deficiencies with our superior puck moving ability from the backend as well as our swarm system. It kept the puck in the other team's zone most of the time and helped us hide some of our weaknesses.
I think they recognized that the previous system was high maintenance in terms of energy and difficult to sustain over an 82 games schedule + playoffs. I think they tried to address that this season without getting exactly the results they wanted. But at the same time, I don't find that we have those total defensive breakdowns where absolutely nothing is going right and we're getting destroyed on the scoresheet like what happened in some games last year. Defensively, we can be iffy at times but I still think Price is protected a bit more from prime scoring chances. Last year we wouldn't give up too many shots but that's because the play was at the other end most of the time. But when we gave up chances they were good ones. And when things didn't work out we would get destroyed. Thing is, no teams can sustain that level of balls to the walls pressure for 82 games + playoffs. At least not a team with as many small forwards as we have. Things had to change a little bit.
I can't wait to see how the team will come out in the playoffs. I'm really curious to see if my theory is right or if our entire coaching stuff just sucks.
Anybody that wants Therrien fired at this point deserves a punch in the throat, period. if feels so good to have players accountable, to have 12 forwards and 6 defensmens that work their tales off. I don't give a crap if we don't play a puck possession system ala Red Wings, we don't have that many good puck carriers anyways, and what we're doing WORKS, and yes Price is a big part of it, but all great teams have great goalies, that's just how life works. We all want more ice-time for our prospects, but if Bergevin keeps stacking up on depth, a coach has to keep all players happy, that's how it goes.
The proof is there. Cup winners have those stats behind them. I used to doubt, but I'm now convinced. When you see the correlation that exists between those possession numbers and contending teams and poor numbers and bad ones... it carries some weight.The theory from micro stats people is that shots generated = offense. Ability to generate shots dictate the ability to generate goals and show how much you have the puck. I think there are several flaws with that theory.
It HAS cratered. It was top five at the start of the year and top ten last season with an almost identical roster. Once MT changed things up our offense TANKED. Since that system changed the only team with worse five on five has been Buffalo. And our once lethal PP which was first in the league THIS year has tanked all the way to 17th.I'm not saying it's brilliant coaching I'm saying you're showing bias by saying the offense has cratered when it clearly has not. That's all I'm saying.
Our goalies are getting results.Alright, the team is 8th overall behind all of the powerhouse : blues, hawks, ducks, bruins, sharks, avs, pens.
None of the teams ahead of them have worse rosters, except maybe the avs but they have such an insane offense much better than ours.
I think it's silly to say that Therrien deserves no credit. I'm not in the dressing room and I don't know everything that he does to make the team perform. But it's been 2 years where the habs are in the top 10 overall. He's getting results.
My criticisms are very specific. And again I ask you a simple question - WHAT DOES HE DESERVE CREDIT FOR? Be specific. What do you like about our team's PLAY this year? 'Cause the only thing I see working is the goaltending. You could argue that the Penalty Killing is great but even there... how much of that is the goalie?You can't just plug your ears and go lalalala.
Price has been great for the last four years.So you're saying Price has been playing at this level all his career and Waite didn't have a positive effect ?
EDIT: I don't know how much is to be attributed to Waite but I know he's playing a lot better this season than the previous 2 seasons. He was also pretty damn awesome in 2010-11.
Was listen to TSN radio a few days ago, when they have Bergevin on. When asked about if there was beef between Subban and Therrien, he seemed really suprised by the question, as if the "hate for eachother" is just something the media tries to make a big deal out more than anything. And said coaches and players don't have to be best friends and it wasn't like he was defensivly about the thing, so that was somewhat nice to hear.
Also during that show, they said that Therrien since the 04-05 lockout, is the 6th winnest coach, I was like wtf, pretty crazy.
TBH I don't like how Therrien has handle somethings, or atleast the way it looks from the outside, ex Subban, and Briere, but looking at some of the team stats, its either we have great team or he isn't as bad as some make him seem.
Last year we were a top 10 5 on 5 team in terms of GF/GA ratio, top 10 in PP, top 10 in SH/ SA. Only thing that was bad was the pk unit which was ranked around 25th.
This year 5 on 5 isn't great, but it isn't bad, its around 16th I believe, btw I am looking at 5 on 5 GF/GA ratio, the pp has been up and down, but still decent. The pk unit has been much improved.
Like many I never thought MT was an X's and O's guy but it doesn't seem all that bad. Specially when you look at the teams record after scoring 1st, or leading after 2. I saw them on RDS or CBC just the other night, it was pretty crazy, something like 35-0-3 after leadeing after 2.
I have to say, its going to be pretty funny this summer around here when Bergevin gives MT a contract ext.
100% its going to happen, next year is MT last year, you never see a GM let a coach go into a season with just 1 year left on his contract, specially teams with money.
What's even funnier is that MT might be fired before the contract ext even kicks in, we seen it before, Ron Wilson fired just months after getting a contract ext, Noel with the Jets was giving an extra year in the summer since he was going into his last year on the deal and he was fired before it kicked in.
Right... 'cause Subban's a prospect - not a freaking Norris winner right? And MT has done a great job keeping him happy. And look at the great job he's done getting the best out of him too.Anybody that wants Therrien fired at this point deserves a punch in the throat, period. if feels so good to have players accountable, to have 12 forwards and 6 defensmens that work their tales off. I don't give a crap if we don't play a puck possession system ala Red Wings, we don't have that many good puck carriers anyways, and what we're doing WORKS, and yes Price is a big part of it, but all great teams have great goalies, that's just how life works. We all want more ice-time for our prospects, but if Bergevin keeps stacking up on depth, a coach has to keep all players happy, that's how it goes.
I think he does. The Pens fired him while he had a winning record and won the cup. He's not doing a good job here (winning record or not) so I don't see why he should keep his job.He doesn't deserve to be fired, but he sure as hell isn't a good coach. He's the type of coach where the minute the team slips for an extended period of time, you fire him. Good coaches will get the benefit of the doubt. Not him.
I think he does. The Pens fired him while he had a winning record and won the cup. He's not doing a good job here (winning record or not) so I don't see why he should keep his job.
Would you fire him? I think you would. I know I would.
You're wrong though.
The habs played off-the-rush attacking, and a swarm defense in the playoffs. The same system we rolled all last season - the same system that failed.
He changed it slightly the beginning of this season and then fully midway through the first mini-slump.
I don't disagree that his recent defensive system is lacking in tactical acumen but so are you if you think that our system changed LAST year when the playoffs and reg season were exactly identical.