David Legwand

[God Says No]

11 pts from a predominately 4th line centre doesn't seem to be that bad, regardless if most of his pts are on the PP. He has certainly lost a step or two but he hangs in there in front of the net & is able to get some garbage goals. He seems decent at faceoffs & on a lot of nights is our best at it. He seems to be able to control the PP & doesn't make a lot of risky passes & it has translated in significant pts for him on the PP. While he isn't a fast skater any more he does play a decent two way game & is good defensively. His leadership, veteran experience & his ability to still put pts on the board is probably not appreciated on here because of his age but IMO he is helping the team win which should be all the matters. I don't see Pageau putting up numbers in the NHL like he does in the AHL, so I don't see him replacing Legwand anytime soon.

JGP is not replacing Legwand. JGP is our 3rd line center from now on. Legwand is our 4th.

 

[StefanW]

JGP is not replacing Legwand. JGP is our 3rd line center from now on. Legwand is our 4th.

I didn't realize Cameron has an HF account and posts here.

 

[aragorn]

JGP is not replacing Legwand. JGP is our 3rd line center from now on. Legwand is our 4th.

What are you basing this on, ice time? JGP should be back in Bingo by the time Lazar gets back, he's a temporary filler, isn't he? Do you see a future on this team for JGP?

 

[Tundraman]

Legwand should learn a lesson from Ryan and do everything he can to elevate his own play on the ice. Ryan is the only one imo who had just cause to complain being shunted to the 2nd line and getting limited 2nd pp minutes. Instead Ryan played even harder despite a bruised / broken finger and raised his line to 1st line status on many nights thereby increasing his pp time in the process. Instead of complaining work harder Mr Legwand and your play will decide your linemates and toi.

 

[God Says No]

I didn't realize Cameron has an HF account and posts here.

Don't be upset just because I was correct on my assessment in the pre-season and you weren't.

What are you basing this on, ice time? JGP should be back in Bingo by the time Lazar gets back, he's a temporary filler, isn't he? Do you see a future on this team for JGP?

Yeah, just looking at the ice time distribution in the last set of games and the line mates. Legwand is trending down. Just like he was trending down in DET. If he's not careful he might lose his spot to Lazar once he comes back.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Don't be upset just because I was correct on my assessment in the pre-season and you weren't.



Yeah, just looking at the ice time distribution in the last set of games and the line mates. Legwand is trending down. Just like he was trending down in DET. If he's not careful he might lose his spot to Lazar once he comes back.

Even if Pageau outpreformed Legwand, which he really hasn't so far, the fact that he has a two-way contract all but guarantees that he gets sent back down to bingo when Lazar returns unless 1 or 2 contracts get traded.

Pageau needs to show that he's a better fit than Lazar more than Legwand.

 

[God Says No]

Even if Pageau outpreformed Legwand, which he really hasn't so far, the fact that he has a two-way contract all but guarantees that he gets sent back down to bingo when Lazar returns unless 1 or 2 contracts get traded.

Pageau needs to show that he's a better fit than Lazar more than Legwand.

I think he has. That's why Legwand is playing with Greening and Condra instead of Chiasson and Michalek. But you are probably right. It might come down to contracts more so than play.

 

[StefanW]

Don't be upset just because I was correct on my assessment in the pre-season and you weren't.

Huh? You were saying that Pageau is going to be our #3 C and Legwand our #4, and a) there is no way you can possible know this, and b) Pageau is probably heading back to Bingo once Lazar is back, so the "from now on" thing is a stretch.

So what are you talking about?

 

[RedSeven*]

I'm not a fan of him. He's okay. I wouldn't pay to watch him play ever. He's not exciting nor a core part of anything special.

i would love to trade him at the deadline.

I do believe we could do better in bringing in some other vets in the summer to help the squad out.

 

[HavlatMach9]

So what are you talking about?

just accept it. there's plenty of ways to know: crystal ball, truth serum, ESP, etc

 

[starling]

Who would want him though? With another year of his 3M/year contract.

 

[HSF]

He is fine as the 3/4 and a special teams specialist

Also brings leadership to a very young center ice position

 

[StefanW]

He is fine as the 3/4 and a special teams specialist

Also brings leadership to a very young center ice position

I agree with this, although I would say that his numbers justify #3 rather than 4th line.

 

[God Says No]

Huh? You were saying that Pageau is going to be our #3 C and Legwand our #4, and a) there is no way you can possible know this, and b) Pageau is probably heading back to Bingo once Lazar is back, so the "from now on" thing is a stretch.

So what are you talking about?

I was referring to Legwand, not JGP. It's alright, not everyone is correct all the time. You were wrong about Legwand, I was correct. I'll move on.

Yeah, it's possible JGP is back in the AHL once Lazar is back. But I'd say it's also possible Legwand is scratched for Lazar, or Lazar is sent back to junior.

Although right now it doesn't bode well for Legsy. 8:40 TOI, 25% faceoff percentage.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I was referring to Legwand, not JGP. It's alright, not everyone is correct all the time. You were wrong about Legwand, I was correct. I'll move on.

Yeah, it's possible JGP is back in the AHL once Lazar is back. But I'd say it's also possible Legwand is scratched for Lazar, or Lazar is sent back to junior.

Although right now it doesn't bode well for Legsy. 8:40 TOI, 25% faceoff percentage.

It's a little early to claim being right. He's here for 7 games and then will most likely be returned to Bingo, unless someone is injured or traded. He does't hold a roster spot at this point, he's filling in for someone who has one. Not exactly a situation to gloat about.

As most coaches say about rookies, it's not enough to be as good, or even slightly better than an established player, you have to be flat out better to take their spot. This has a lot to do with the added jump call ups get vs the consistency of vets, as well as the extras the vets bring to the room. While I like JPG, I don't feel like he has shown anything that makes him better than Leggy. He may be faster, but he's still not producing any points. He is a pretty similar replacement for Lazar, and we really don't need two of those on the team right now.

 

[Engineer]

^I'm not sure, but I think there must have been an argument between those two where god says no said Legwand will be a bust, and StefanW said he was well worth the signing, and GSN is claiming he was right about that argument.

I don't think what he is saying has anything to do with JGP

Anyways, other than clarifying that, since GSN is explaining what he meant poorly, I have nothing to do with those comments and will leave it there.

 

[Ice-Tray]

^I'm not sure, but I think there must have been an argument between those two where god says no said Legwand will be a bust, and StefanW said he was well worth the signing, and GSN is claiming he was right about that argument.

I don't think what he is saying has anything to do with JGP

Anyways, other than clarifying that, since GSN is explaining what he meant poorly, I have nothing to do with those comments and will leave it there.

Good point!

 

[Tuna99]

How about this for an off-season plan?

Coach: Luke Richardson
GM: Brent Flahr
Executives in charge of making the team good: Alfie, Dave Cameron, Legwand


Everyone still has a job in hockey and we bring in some former players to help advise the new management team

 

[Lenny the Lynx]

Who would want him though? With another year of his 3M/year contract.

Lots of teams would. $3MM for one year is peanuts. He'd be a fine addition to a lot of teams - very experienced, versatile.

He's not been amazing for us this year but far from the problem.

I just don't get why people on here have to take things so far - from mild criticism to saying the guy is garbage and done in the league

 

[StefanW]

^I'm not sure, but I think there must have been an argument between those two where god says no said Legwand will be a bust, and StefanW said he was well worth the signing, and GSN is claiming he was right about that argument.

I don't think what he is saying has anything to do with JGP

This is the quote I responded to:

JGP is not replacing Legwand. JGP is our 3rd line center from now on. Legwand is our 4th.

It contains both JPG and Legwand. I objected to the assumption that JPG is our #3 C "from now on" which is...c'mon. I also objected to the tone, in which the poster assumed that this was the way it was going to be.

So yes, it was all about both JPG and Legwand. Or, at least it was on my end.

 

[God Says No]

This is the quote I responded to:



It contains both JPG and Legwand. I objected to the assumption that JPG is our #3 C "from now on" which is...c'mon. I also objected to the tone, in which the poster assumed that this was the way it was going to be.

So yes, it was all about both JPG and Legwand. Or, at least it was on my end.

Yip, it was on your end only. I was referring to a different thread where we had a discussion on Legwand. I admit I should have been clearer but whatev.

The point is that Legwand is a 4th line center. Most likely will be like that for the rest of the year. Whether it's JGP or Lazar playing in front of him, he's a 4th line center. I don't have any issues with that. It's actually where I saw him from the start of his Sens career. Now yourself and other posters such as Aragorn were expecting more. Which is becoming more and more evident to be false.

 

[Caeldan]

Yip, it was on your end only. I was referring to a different thread where we had a discussion on Legwand. I admit I should have been clearer but whatev.

The point is that Legwand is a 4th line center. Most likely will be like that for the rest of the year. Whether it's JGP or Lazar playing in front of him, he's a 4th line center. I don't have any issues with that. It's actually where I saw him from the start of his Sens career. Now yourself and other posters such as Aragorn were expecting more. Which is becoming more and more evident to be false.

With the money he was paid, I think the expectation was that he would be the #2 center was very reasonable.

 

[Cosmix]

When the Senators signed Legwand, I looked at his point totals for last year (51 I believe) and thought it might be a good signing, but I was concerned that Detroit chose not to sign him after trading for him. Now that I have seen him play for 33 or so games, I am disappointed and think he is slow and lacks intensity. I see little value in retaining him and would trade him if anyone wants him for a younger player prospect or pick (a second round pick would be a steal).

 

[God Says No]

With the money he was paid, I think the expectation was that he would be the #2 center was very reasonable.

Well, those expectation were obviously wrong. This includes the Sens brass as well. They should have seen the red flags starting last year with his time in DET.

 

[HavlatMach9]

they way the management talked about Legwand leads me to believe that they pencilled him as the 3rd center. They talked about how he had lots of experience stopping the best centers in the league during his time in Nashville.