We tied the league lead for rookies last season with 5 - Domi, Duclair, Dahlbeck, Domingue, Martinook. I think we'll start this year with 1, maybe 2: Strome and Dvorak. By season's end, that number could grow to 4 with Perlini and Samuelsson.
Wait, what? Isn't that the whole Tippett thing -- his rosters punch above their weight class?
I think you're confusing talent with some sort of epiphany. He just flat out hasn't had the talent in the past.
We tied the league lead for rookies last season with 5 - Domi, Duclair, Dahlbeck, Domingue, Martinook. I think we'll start this year with 1, maybe 2: Strome and Dvorak. By season's end, that number could grow to 4 with Perlini and Samuelsson.
Strome, Dvorak, MacInnis, Perlini, and DeAngelo all need to be established on the team this year. Next year we get Chychrun, Keller, and maybe Fischer.
Once we are a playoff team, we won't be able to take the chance with more than 1 or 2 rookies, because the 3-6 games that might move from the win column to the loss column would be too expensive. This year, however, we can afford to lose those extra 3-6 games in order to season the young players.
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I think you are now my favorite poster!
Evaluating a coach comes down to expectations based on the roster and injuries for that year. The Ribs year is the only year under Tip that the team was under realistic expectations (include injuries/56 point season). Other than the Ribs year, Tip has met or exceeded realistic expectations.
Just adding Gogo this year increases expectations. Last year was 78 points, so we should have a higher expected point total. We have to wait and see what players might be added, but today, I would think 85-90 points would be reasonable.
The same guys that don't like Tip, won't like him no matter what, he can do nothing right. Last year we played the most rookies in the NHL and beat expectations. It didn't change anyone's mind that disliked Tip.
Strome, Dvorak, MacInnis, Perlini, and DeAngelo all need to be established on the team this year. Next year we get Chychrun, Keller, and maybe Fischer.
Once we are a playoff team, we won't be able to take the chance with more than 1 or 2 rookies, because the 3-6 games that might move from the win column to the loss column would be too expensive. This year, however, we can afford to lose those extra 3-6 games in order to season the young players.
No reason to be sorry. I'm actually feeling pretty optimistic with the off season moves so far. I think there's a real chance Tippett has modernized his thinking a bit. I bet he watched a lot of tape evaluating last season and the more he saw our young guys playing, the better he has to feel about the direction they're leading us. We'll see soon enough.
I think you're confusing talent with some sort of epiphany. He just flat out hasn't had the talent in the past.
Edit: I'm sorry for me, these threads are like a damn train wreck I keep coming back to. A train wreck of unsubstantiated, contradictory and unwarranted blame.
Look at the difference between Turris and Domi. Domi embraced going back to Jr's and spoke positively of the decision. Employers often test ones metal. Punk az whiner's need not apply.
There is just so much we don't know as fans as well.
Why? Really, why? This season isn't about making the playoffs, or being a competitive team. This season is about maturing our young players for an extended playoff run for the next 6 to 10 seasons. I want to see another 4 or 5 rookies this year. Then, starting next year, just one or two a year.
Strome, Dvorak, MacInnis, Perlini, and DeAngelo all need to be established on the team this year. Next year we get Chychrun, Keller, and maybe Fischer.
Once we are a playoff team, we won't be able to take the chance with more than 1 or 2 rookies, because the 3-6 games that might move from the win column to the loss column would be too expensive. This year, however, we can afford to lose those extra 3-6 games in order to season the young players.
DT's thinking is still the same today as it was last year. Your system, game plan or whatever you want to call will depend on the TALENT you have to work with.
I think Strome gets a full season. Dvorak should get the call-up for any LW or C needs throughout the year, eventually accounting for maybe a half season worth of games. Samuelsson should be the RW call-up and get quite a few games that way. DeAngelo should be the first D called up and end up with around half a season worth of games, like Dvorak. Hopefully the season after, each of those three are full-time NHLers for us. And then it's Perlini, MacInnis, Fischer, and Wood who take over as the favored call-ups.
I think Strome gets a full season. Dvorak should get the call-up for any LW or C needs throughout the year, eventually accounting for maybe a half season worth of games. Samuelsson should be the RW call-up and get quite a few games that way. DeAngelo should be the first D called up and end up with around half a season worth of games, like Dvorak. Hopefully the season after, each of those three are full-time NHLers for us. And then it's Perlini, MacInnis and Wood who take over as the favored call-ups.
I believe a big factor is how much you are willing to work with your talent. Not everyone is plug and play. That's a big part of our differing opinions. And that's all they are; opinions. Nobody is right or wrong. The arguments might be the "same old" ones but I am starting to see a possible shifting in approach or philosophy or whatever you want to call it and I hope it continues. Your opinion is he didn't have any talent before. I believe the talent was not developed properly for a long time here. But again, that's the past. I'm looking forward to and hoping for a much different and improved future.
Trying to be positive here. [MOD] How about focusing on the future?
The main goal to add to D corps so we could properly slot guys on left side has been accomplished.
If we are going to run with 2-3 rookies this year after inserting upwards of 4 rookies full time last year the roster could only get cheaper.
Barring a trade of futures/prospects for high priced vet there is and was very little chance we would significantly add to payroll/cap. That's how a rebuild/youth movement works.
I have always focused on the future regarding this team AND ownership, [MOD]
As far as talent development goes, I don't think we had much talent to develop. Just look at our scouting over the years, hell, we didn't have enough scouts to cover areas that other team did, which resulted in not finding more talent. This ownership, FO, scouts and coaches have done a fantastic job the last two years, and I believe the future is very bright.
DT's thinking is still the same today as it was last year. Your system, game plan or whatever you want to call will depend on the TALENT you have to work with.
Why? Really, why? This season isn't about making the playoffs, or being a competitive team. This season is about maturing our young players for an extended playoff run for the next 6 to 10 seasons. I want to see another 4 or 5 rookies this year. Then, starting next year, just one or two a year.