Player Discussion Danton Heinen II

[BruinDust]

I don't agree at all that the Canucks make that deal Again you're talking about a guy who is struggling in the NHL but is a power forward talent.
Don't know how old you are but the bruins traded Pederson who was I suppose a star at least his numbers showed that ...they traded him for Neely who was a young power forward who granted scored 20 in his second season but in an era where 20 goals seemed much more common but then dropped the following year.
At the time of the trade many felt we got had by trading a "star" for a
"Goin" like player .. Bradley the bruins scouts at the time inisisted they grab Neely ....the rest is history.
Now Virtanen is no Neely im im quite sure of that but he does have some serious credentials that if it translates at the Nhl level....watch out.

Yeah, can we not reference one most lopsided trades in NHL history when trying to justify making a deal for Jake Virtanen.

I remember when the Bruins traded their 1996 1st round pick for a package of Anders Myrvold and Landon Wilson, as Wilson was a "power forward talent". How well did that work out?

Works both ways.

I actually like Virtanen and wouldn't be against trading for him, but Heinen on his own for Virtanen is an overpayment.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

"Draft position matters over NHL success"
Glory I am fully aware that there plenty of late picks that did extremely well in the NHL
March, Benn, panarin, Ok Subban,
Point looks real good, kucerov,
Bergeron, Chara, krejci, Hossa,
Kuznetsov, Gaudreau, many goalies( not goin write them all)
Etc etc...none of these were first Rd choices and there are many more
But be careful here draft position in general has significance
I can list them but there are way too many elite players that were indeed number one picks .
Having said that nope im not interested in college but Virtanen although has done squat in Vancouver I am willing to take a chance on..He is a power forward with very good size , a strong shot and high skating acceleration .
He's no slouch eventhough his numbers suck thus far.. the kid has many qualities I like , qualities I am willing to take a chance on

I’m not really sure what you are talking about in general, but you are wrong about Draft position. It might mean something before the player hits the NHL, and it might get that player a little slack early on, but once players have been in the league 2/3 years like Virtanen, there Draft position doesn’t mean squat.

At this point, Heinen has 47 pts in 85 NHL games (77 last year, 8 the year before) for a .55 ppg average.

Virtanen has 13 less points (34) in 55 more games (140) for a .24 ppg average.

Draft position has absolutely nothing to do with it at this point.

You mentioned Turris in another post, but even he wasn’t as bad as Virtanen.

In his first 137 games (over parts of 4 seasons), Turris had 46 pts for a .34 ppg average.

Virtanen could turn it around, but you aren’t going to trade a kid (Heinen) who had immediate NHL success for one who didn’t, just because he was drafted 6th overall.

That would be dumb.

 

[Marcobruin]

Krejci only started getting it on in his fourth season.
The difference here is you are putting more merit on Heinen first season then I am.Hey ok...if you feel that ..great and remember I sure hope he becomes a good top 6
But I think this season we should know where Danton stands .
If he does become a 30pt getter numbers that were posted by guys like Greg Campbell ...then Virtanen may not be the only high draft pick I would take a shot at trading for.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Krejci only started getting it on in his fourth season.
The difference here is you are putting more merit on Heinen first season then I am.Hey ok...if you feel that ..great and remember I sure hope he becomes a good top 6
But I think this season we should know where Danton stands .
If he does become a 30pt getter numbers that were posted by guys like Greg Campbell ...then Virtanen may not be the only high draft pick I would take a shot at trading for.

Greg Campbell had one 30 point season to his name.

 

[Rubber Biscuit]

Yea, Heinen being a 30 point per year scorer would suck. Definitely the kind of guy I'd look to upgrade with Jake Virtanen and his... *checks notes* 34 points in 140 games

 

[Marcobruin]

I’m not really sure what you are talking about in general, but you are wrong about Draft position. It might mean something before the player hits the NHL, and it might get that player a little slack early on, but once players have been in the league 2/3 years like Virtanen, there Draft position doesn’t mean squat.

At this point, Heinen has 47 pts in 85 NHL games (77 last year, 8 the year before) for a .55 ppg average.

Virtanen has 13 less points (34) in 55 more games (140) for a .24 ppg average.

Draft position has absolutely nothing to do with it at this point.

You mentioned Turris in another post, but even he wasn’t as bad as Virtanen.

In his first 137 games (over parts of 4 seasons), Turris had 46 pts for a .34 ppg average.

Virtanen could turn it around, but you aren’t going to trade a kid (Heinen) who had immediate NHL success for one who didn’t, just because he was drafted 6th overall.

That would be dumb.[/QUOTE

Turris sucked first few seasons (semantics here) He only improved and had much better seasons once in ottawa. (Still nowhere near the type of player Gretzky and co.thought he'd be)

 

[Grimey]

If you're going to trade for a guy hoping that a change of scenery makes him something more than a scrub, you don't trade a guy like Heinen. You trade either later picks or guys who are in a similar situation on your end. Trading a guy who had a good rookie season for a guy that you hope will rebound with a change of scenery is insane.

Vancouver would take that deal and hang up before Sweeney could hear them laughing at him

If Sweeney were to look at moving Heinen (doubtful) to Vancouver AND add on top of that, he would have to push for Boeser or something similar. No way he's doing that for just Virtanen. He could still develop into a good player, but Heinen already has shown he's more effective than Virtanen in the NHL, in his first season. If Sweeney ever trades Heinen and a first, the return better improve the team in the present and future. Losing Heinen and a first for JV does neither for the team. If I wanted JV, I'd give up a player in a similar situation (a Brett Connolly type player; high pick, young, could develop into something better). Still, I'm by no means a GM.

 

[Pia8988]

And here I thoguht dinosaurs were extinct

 

[DKH]

And here I thoguht dinosaurs were extinct

Crocodiles are sort of dinosaurs so they really aren’t

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Krejci only started getting it on in his fourth season.
The difference here is you are putting more merit on Heinen first season then I am.Hey ok...if you feel that ..great and remember I sure hope he becomes a good top 6
But I think this season we should know where Danton stands .
If he does become a 30pt getter numbers that were posted by guys like Greg Campbell ...then Virtanen may not be the only high draft pick I would take a shot at trading for.

Talk about revisionist history.

Krejci played 6 games for Boston in 06/07 with 0 points. That year in PRO, his first as a pro, he had 73 pts in 69 games.

In 07/08, he started the year in PRO (had 28 pts in 25 games) and came up to BOS. He had 27 pts in 56 games (only 7 less than Virtanen has in 140 games).

The following season, 08/09, Krejci had 73 pts (22g/51a) in the NHL.

So, he spent one year in PRO, split his second season between PRO and BOS (getting 27 pts in the NHL), and the next (his first full NHL season), he put up 73 pts in the NHL.

How is that “only started getting it” in his fourth season?

 

[DKH]

Talk about revisionist history.

Krejci played 6 games for Boston in 06/07 with 0 points. That year in PRO, his first as a pro, he had 73 pts in 69 games.

In 07/08, he started the year in PRO (had 28 pts in 25 games) and came up to BOS. He had 27 pts in 56 games (only 7 less than Virtanen has in 140 games).

The following season, 08/09, Krejci had 73 pts (22g/51a) in the NHL.

So, he spent one year in PRO, split his second season between PRO and BOS (getting 27 pts in the NHL), and the next (his first full NHL season), he put up 73 pts in the NHL.

How is that “only started getting it” in his fourth season?

Maybe that’s the year he met his future wife?

I don’t follow what he is talking about either although I admit by 3.76 GPA was from a state college so I’m not the brightest bulb

 

[Rumpy]

I hope he becomes a top 6 let alone a top 9 . Ok so that was sarcasm but why Virtanen?
I am fully aware that a sixth overall pick doesn't mean glory but im also aware that sometimes you make a trade for a potential high profile player and the change of scenery practically transforms him. Virtanen was a high profile player when he was drafted and maybe he'll do didley a la Strome(both Bros) ifhe gets traded or maybe he explodes . I'd be willing to make that trade .
An ex of this was Kyle Turris
Did squat in Phoenix but posted some good numbers some seasons in Ottawa. There are other Turris' the organization has to find them and take a chance
Now it's obvious giving Heinen in your opinion is giving too much(wasn't focusing on bruins number 1 btw) it was mostly for me Danton one for one but here's a question since correct me if im wrong but this trade to you and you may be right sounds postperous but do you think without doubt that Vancouver makes that trade in an instant?

If you want to play that game target Sam Bennet or someone else.

Yes - I think Vancouver would take any top 10 prospect we voted on for Virtanen that’s how bad he sucks and his stock has fallen. If they are being honest with themselves. They are giving him more than he deserves ...

He dominated junior because he was big and strong. He now blows in the NHL and AHL because he is big dumb and does nothing well.

And if you want a real honest hot take I went to the top prospects game his year and thought he was one of the best players on the ice and woulda took him top 10. But it was all fools gold!

 

[Grimey]

Talk about revisionist history.

Krejci played 6 games for Boston in 06/07 with 0 points. That year in PRO, his first as a pro, he had 73 pts in 69 games.

In 07/08, he started the year in PRO (had 28 pts in 25 games) and came up to BOS. He had 27 pts in 56 games (only 7 less than Virtanen has in 140 games).

The following season, 08/09, Krejci had 73 pts (22g/51a) in the NHL.

So, he spent one year in PRO, split his second season between PRO and BOS (getting 27 pts in the NHL), and the next (his first full NHL season), he put up 73 pts in the NHL.

How is that “only started getting it” in his fourth season?

Didn't he win the cup and lead the league in playoff points like three-and-a-half seasons into his NHL career?

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Didn't he win the cup and lead the league in playoff points like three-and-a-half seasons into his NHL career?

In “Marcobruin time” that’s like 10 years...

 

[Mainehockey33]

Slick shoot out goal, I wonder if Virtanen can do that?

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Slick shoot out goal, I wonder if Virtanen can do that?

He would have bodied the goalie and scored on it (but it wouldn't have counted because he bodied the goalie). He hits though! Brings the GRIT!!!!

 

[rocketdan9]

Slick shoot out goal, I wonder if Virtanen can do that?

Has he improved his skating?

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Has he improved his skating?

Not that I noticed, but I wasn't focusing on him. Hopefully he did improve.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Has he improved his skating?

I didn’t watch the first and my feed wasn’t great until the 3rd so it was hard to focus on anyone. He had some good looks with the puck in the offensive zone, skating and shielding the puck. I didn’t notice his skating in transition. If he plays with Krejci you don’t want him to get too fast though, do you? Lol

 

[DKH]

To me Heinen is a plus skater - above average fah shure.

 

[BruinInPhilly]

Just curious...How much NHL time has Heinen played at center? Why not try him there? He came up as a center and his skill set seems like a good fit. I didn't see Monday's game, but supposedly Backes look good a C on the 3rd line, but given Krejci's decline and injury history...it may be time to look at other options at the positions.

 

[Rubber Biscuit]

Just curious...How much NHL time has Heinen played at center? Why not try him there? He came up as a center and his skill set seems like a good fit. I didn't see Monday's game, but supposedly Backes look good a C on the 3rd line, but given Krejci's decline and injury history...it may be time to look at other options at the positions.

He's taken 24 face-offs in 88 games, so he hasn't had any NHL time at center. I don't believe he played much center in Providence, either.

The "other options" at C seemingly Frederic, Studnicka and JFK.

 

[Dr Hook]

I think Heinen could be a good center, but he needs to get broken into it- I think chucking him in there cold would not be a smart thing, not in the NHL. It's too late to send him back to Providence to learn a new spot, so they would have to do it in practice over a period of weeks, maybe in meaningless periods of games over, and a full camp. It might not be needed, though. We have Bergie-Krejci-Backes down the middle for a couple more seasons. By then we should have some better ideas about whether Stud, T-Fred, or JFK will be ready to step in.

 

[Blowfish]

To me Heinen is a plus skater - above average fah shure.

bruins need him to produce not just skate lol....

 

[Bruinfanatic]

bruins need him to produce not just skate lol....

Hasn’t done that really since the first part of last season.I would have liked to see him on the second line more than the one game,but I guess Cassidy really didn’t like his effort.