Yeah, I completely agree. 0:7 equals getting steamrolled. This is simply unacceptable for any team entering QF. Where do you see the biggest issues? It might come across as slightly arrogant, but judging from what Ive seen yesterday, it could be a mixture of poor coaching strategy & lack of defensive depth.
Czech Republic: Czech National Team (A, U20, U18, U17, U16)
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Yeah, I completely agree. 0:7 equals getting steamrolled. This is simply unacceptable for any team entering QF. Where do you see the biggest issues? It might come across as slightly arrogant, but judging from what Ive seen yesterday, it could be a mixture of poor coaching strategy & lack of defensive depth.
So what do you think of the recent results by U16, U17, U18 and U19?
That U18 tourney got me worried about the upcoming WJC18, they couldn't score goals and were giving up too much. Needless to say I expected more from the group. Does anyone know when will Brizgala return? We will need him badly to be somewhat competetive. Korenar or Groh simply aren't good enough.
At least the U16, U17 played even matches and snagged some wins.
That U18 tourney got me worried about the upcoming WJC18, they couldn't score goals and were giving up too much. Needless to say I expected more from the group. Does anyone know when will Brizgala return? We will need him badly to be somewhat competetive. Korenar or Groh simply aren't good enough.
At least the U16, U17 played even matches and snagged some wins.
Really curious about the next year's U16. It will be the age group with guys like Peterek and Toman, won't it? They won that World Selects 01 tournament last year(?), so hopefully it wasn't just one hit wonder.
Also, U18 will have a pretty tough group at the WJC18 with Sweden, USA, Russia and Belarus. But hey, at least they won't meet USA in the quaters for the third time in row!
Also, U18 will have a pretty tough group at the WJC18 with Sweden, USA, Russia and Belarus. But hey, at least they won't meet USA in the quaters for the third time in row!
czechcanadian
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Im glad you mentioned and have been keeping track of that upcoming u-16 group.
I have been following them statistically for a bit and it seems they are doing very well. Peterek is the most intriguing of the group. His numbers are comparable to Jakub Vranas at the same age. Cant wait fr next season!!!
And who do we think will go to North America for their draft year? Zadina?
Having seen all Czech games throughout the World Cup 2016 in Russia, I really have mixed feelings. On one hand there is some progress what concerns selecting the most suitable players from Extraliga & co. for the World Cups (thanks to Vujtek & co.). Throughout the majority of the tournament we saw a great team effort and chemistry, unfortunately this didn't apply for our last two games (quite frankly the most important ones). On the other hand, apart from rarities like Pastrnak, I have trouble believing that we can maintain our position as "one of the big" hockey nations in the long run due to our massive lack of young skilful,smart, explosive and elusive talent.
I would like to address the following questions to the more experiences lads out there:
1. Why is Finland able to produce a great number of skilful, explosive and elusive young talent (Barkov, Aho, Laine etc.) at this pace whilst we only manage to come up with young talented players every +/- 5 years? Finland and CZ are more or less comparable what concerns draft numbers and players within the NHL. Is our broke youth program the reason our reputation as one of the big hockey countries has suffered and our productivity of prospects has come to a standstill?
2. Is there any glimmer of hope what concerns hot prospects throughout all age groups? Do we have any chance to keep the pace with Finland and Sweden? Are there any notable Czech prospects that could become NHL regulars?
I would like to address the following questions to the more experiences lads out there:
1. Why is Finland able to produce a great number of skilful, explosive and elusive young talent (Barkov, Aho, Laine etc.) at this pace whilst we only manage to come up with young talented players every +/- 5 years? Finland and CZ are more or less comparable what concerns draft numbers and players within the NHL. Is our broke youth program the reason our reputation as one of the big hockey countries has suffered and our productivity of prospects has come to a standstill?
2. Is there any glimmer of hope what concerns hot prospects throughout all age groups? Do we have any chance to keep the pace with Finland and Sweden? Are there any notable Czech prospects that could become NHL regulars?
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Yes, Peterek looks good. Toman and Skorpik as well. Excited for their U16 showing next year.
Me too. I am especially excited about Libor Zabransky and Filip Kral. They have crazy good numbers as defensemen.
I have no idea who will go and who will stay, but regarding Zadina, I think he could easily go to CHL and impress. He would build up some hype. If he was given the chance to play the whole season in Extraliga though... He would be playing against men. I am a little bit hoping he goes to CHL because I am curious what numbers could he put there.
If it is tied to Slovakia decline I believe what has been discussed is a lack of interest among youth for the sport, youth being more lazy these days. Hockey being a secondary sport to football may have something to do with it ( though this is the same in Sweden ). Not sure about the number of rinks situation but icetime may be harder to come by. Also very likely is problems with the youth program, such as uneducated coaches, politics and youth not getting great opportunities in the mens league are things I've heard discussed. Czech posters will know better than me I have just said what I have heard. Tbh though forward wise it doesn't look bad Palat, Jaskin, Pastrnak, Vrana, Hertl, Zacha seems like a solid set of foundation for future Olympic teams.
Any Thoughts on Ondrej Machala? He is on the Cedar Rapids (USHL) camp roster as a Free Agent for the upcoming weekend.
I am hoping he gets picked in 4th/5th round, though it is more likely he will go in 6th/7th. But to answer the question, yes, I do think he has potential. He is my favorite 98' Czech forward.
I am a little bit sad he will stay in Czech Republic and won't try CHL.
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"Kinda" OT but didint want to start new topic here (why the hell hasn't Czech their own section?), I wish some of locals have tips:
I'm going to Praque with my friend in next month (13th of july). Staying for a week (might travel to austria or/and slovakia, also, though).
Any local tips to enjoy praque? I was looking for black theater shows, but Laterna magica has no shows that week. Is there any other good options?
I'm going to Praque with my friend in next month (13th of july). Staying for a week (might travel to austria or/and slovakia, also, though).
Any local tips to enjoy praque? I was looking for black theater shows, but Laterna magica has no shows that week. Is there any other good options?
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Interesting interview with Josef Augusta.
http://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/hokej...im-se-ze-jagr-nechce-za-narodni-tym-hrat.html
I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but it's a different viewpoint from what we usually see.
http://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/hokej...im-se-ze-jagr-nechce-za-narodni-tym-hrat.html
I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but it's a different viewpoint from what we usually see.
Seems like Adam Musil in czech jersey is a real possibility.
http://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/hokej...na-nastoupi-v-ceskych-barvach-adam-musil.html
http://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/hokej...na-nastoupi-v-ceskych-barvach-adam-musil.html
Nice, it is always good to have more options.. the question is though if he is good enough to make the team better. I dont know but so far having 7 points in 15 games as a '97 in CHL is pretty bad but he might be just off a bad start.
Anyway, I also wonder if we are interested in Klima's brothers too.
czechcanadian
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I honestly dont think we need him. He's pretty good but not good enough. I dont see a spot for him anywhere in the team unless we have some injuries.
I don't know whether he would make the team or not. He would make a solid option though.
That 2001 age group certainly looks intriguing. They are just having a 3-game long friendly tourney against Switzerland and man are they dominating. 7:1 win yesterday, 9:3 win today. Outshot them like 60:20 in the 2nd one. 3rd game will be played tomorrow.
I know it's ''just'' Switzerland, and I don't know how strong the Swiss 01 is, but still, I don't recall any such lopsided blowouts in the last few years. 00, 99 or 98 to be more accurate. I really can't wait to see how will they do when they meet Swedes or Finns.
On the other hand the U17 tournament was kinda dissapointing. Not only I could watch the group games only (preliminary, quaterfinals and 7th-8th place games had awful streams that really were, unfortunately, unwatchable), but also, we finished 8th, the last place. People who saw the games will agree all of them were close (and judging from the stats, the 3 games i didn't see were close too) and the Czech team played well, but last place, that really is a disappointment. On the other hand, their run really reminded me of last year's 1999 who won the Hlinka this year, not sure if that's good or bad though
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That 2001 age group certainly looks intriguing. They are just having a 3-game long friendly tourney against Switzerland and man are they dominating. 7:1 win yesterday, 9:3 win today. Outshot them like 60:20 in the 2nd one. 3rd game will be played tomorrow.
I know it's ''just'' Switzerland, and I don't know how strong the Swiss 01 is, but still, I don't recall any such lopsided blowouts in the last few years. 00, 99 or 98 to be more accurate. I really can't wait to see how will they do when they meet Swedes or Finns.
On the other hand the U17 tournament was kinda dissapointing. Not only I could watch the group games only (preliminary, quaterfinals and 7th-8th place games had awful streams that really were, unfortunately, unwatchable), but also, we finished 8th, the last place. People who saw the games will agree all of them were close (and judging from the stats, the 3 games i didn't see were close too) and the Czech team played well, but last place, that really is a disappointment. On the other hand, their run really reminded me of last year's 1999 who won the Hlinka this year, not sure if that's good or bad though
.99 seemed to me at that tournament a lot better. Some of the results were not good, but we managed to create a lot of chances. This year, the team was solid, but I do not see anyone there, when the level was Zadina Necas, Safin and probably more. Forward was the team definitely better.I don't know whether he would make the team or not. He would make a solid option though.
That 2001 age group certainly looks intriguing. They are just having a 3-game long friendly tourney against Switzerland and man are they dominating. 7:1 win yesterday, 9:3 win today. Outshot them like 60:20 in the 2nd one. 3rd game will be played tomorrow.
I know it's ''just'' Switzerland, and I don't know how strong the Swiss 01 is, but still, I don't recall any such lopsided blowouts in the last few years. 00, 99 or 98 to be more accurate. I really can't wait to see how will they do when they meet Swedes or Finns.
On the other hand the U17 tournament was kinda dissapointing. Not only I could watch the group games only (preliminary, quaterfinals and 7th-8th place games had awful streams that really were, unfortunately, unwatchable), but also, we finished 8th, the last place. People who saw the games will agree all of them were close (and judging from the stats, the 3 games i didn't see were close too) and the Czech team played well, but last place, that really is a disappointment. On the other hand, their run really reminded me of last year's 1999 who won the Hlinka this year, not sure if that's good or bad though
I assume you are talking about the U17 tournament? If so, I agree, this year they played well and as a team, they could play against anyone and be competetive. But as player v player, individual skills, there wasn't any Necas. I don't have the same hopes for them as I have for 99. I just hope they will turn out better than 98.
Of course. 98 was very bad, of course, especially in attack, the defense is fine. 00 really playing as a team, as a team can play it a solid result, according to me will certainly be better than 98, but individually it is weaker than 99. 01 is according to me a very promising year.
czechcanadian
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I don't know whether he would make the team or not. He would make a solid option though.
That 2001 age group certainly looks intriguing. They are just having a 3-game long friendly tourney against Switzerland and man are they dominating. 7:1 win yesterday, 9:3 win today. Outshot them like 60:20 in the 2nd one. 3rd game will be played tomorrow.
I know it's ''just'' Switzerland, and I don't know how strong the Swiss 01 is, but still, I don't recall any such lopsided blowouts in the last few years. 00, 99 or 98 to be more accurate. I really can't wait to see how will they do when they meet Swedes or Finns.
On the other hand the U17 tournament was kinda dissapointing. Not only I could watch the group games only (preliminary, quaterfinals and 7th-8th place games had awful streams that really were, unfortunately, unwatchable), but also, we finished 8th, the last place. People who saw the games will agree all of them were close (and judging from the stats, the 3 games i didn't see were close too) and the Czech team played well, but last place, that really is a disappointment. On the other hand, their run really reminded me of last year's 1999 who won the Hlinka this year, not sure if that's good or bad though
Seriously? Wow... where did you find those results?
The Swiss are generally pretty decent though. So to be able to destroy them like that, is pretty impressive if you ask me. They also beat Slovakia easily earlier this year if I recall correctly. 5-1 or 6-1. Can't help but be very excited about this group..
kudla
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The slovakian team was missing their 8 best players there, nothing to be proud of but yeah czech 01 look very promising
http://www.hokej.cz/mladez/zapasy/34
Here you can find all the U16 games.
Really hope it's a strong year for us, we need it to be because of the home WJC in 2020.
czechcanadian
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Why would they miss that? Pretty sure all the best Czech players were there.
Can you name those missing players?
czechcanadian
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Thanks man. I was looking for it on that website. Just wasn't looking hard enough I guess. They outshot them 51-10 the last game lol. Crazy
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