Proposal: Curtis Glencross to MTL

Skobel24 · Jul 30, 2013

MonahanTheMan said:
Diaz: neither a pick nor a prospect, is the bulk of the deal
Fournier: prospect, but recently signed an entry level contract, is a minor part of the deal

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Zero interest in Diaz. Small, mediocre #4 or 5 dman.

MonahanTheMan · Jul 30, 2013

Skobel24 said:
Zero interest in Diaz. Small, mediocre #4 or 5 dman.

That's true, I forgot he was 5'11, although that's not terribly small. But mediocre is the wrong term - underrated is more apt. And he generally plays either first or second pairing in Montreal. He would do just fine in Calgary on a team lacking a solid number four.

Skobel24 · Jul 30, 2013

MonahanTheMan said:
That's true, I forgot he was 5'11, although that's not terribly small. But mediocre is the wrong term - underrated is more apt. And he generally plays either first or second pairing in Montreal. He would do just fine in Calgary on a team lacking a solid number four.

If he was the main piece coming back for Glencross, I would be VERY disappointed. Glencross brings much more to this team than Diaz would.

MonahanTheMan · Jul 30, 2013

Skobel24 said:
If he was the main piece coming back for Glencross, I would be VERY disappointed. Glencross brings much more to this team than Diaz would.

Glencross appears to bring a lot to the team because Calgary is a poor team, strapped for talent. Diaz would have a similar impact on the defensive core.

Gritty · Jul 30, 2013

MonahanTheMan said:
Glencross appears to bring a lot to the team because Calgary is a poor team, strapped for talent. Diaz would have a similar impact on the defensive core.

If the Flames actually wanted Diaz half as bad as you do we could acquire him without giving up nearly half the value that GlenX holds.

It's like Phaneuf to TO all over again... :help:

Backlund · Jul 30, 2013

MonahanTheMan said:
Glencross appears to bring a lot to the team because Calgary is a poor team, strapped for talent. Diaz would have a similar impact on the defensive core.

No Glencross brings a lot to the team because he is a physical, defensively responsible, 20-25 goal scorer, signed at 2.5M and who will provide leadership to a young team next season.

Do you honestly see Diaz having a similar impact on our defense?

Skobel24 · Jul 30, 2013

wally31 said:
If the Flames actually wanted Diaz half as bad as you do we could acquire him without giving up nearly half the value that GlenX holds.

It's like Phaneuf to TO all over again...

Speaking of Phaneuf, I hope he bolts from TO. Would make me feel a bit better about that trade.

MonahanTheMan · Jul 30, 2013

Backlund said:
No Glencross brings a lot to the team because he is a physical, defensively responsible, 20-25 goal scorer, signed at 2.5M and who will provide leadership to a young team next season.

Do you honestly see Diaz having a similar impact on our defense?

Similar, but obviously not as great. There are no easy analogies with our defense right now, but if we compare him to a forward, he'd be somewhere between Glencross and Stajan's impact level.

I think he would immediately be slotted as a #3 defenseman.

TheHudlinator · Jul 30, 2013

MonahanTheMan said:
Similar, but obviously not as great. There are no easy analogies with our defense right now, but if we compare him to a forward, he'd be somewhere between Glencross and Stajan's impact level.

I think he would immediately be slotted as a #3 defenseman.

He would be at least #4.

MonahanTheMan · Jul 30, 2013

TheHudlinator said:
He would be at least #4.

I think he's probably better defensively than Wideman, Gio or Brodie. Whoever out of those three we decide to put in the second pairing, he'll be playing alongside, and will probably get slightly more minutes than.

TheHudlinator · Jul 30, 2013

MonahanTheMan said:
I think he's probably better defensively than Wideman, Gio or Brodie. Whoever out of those three we decide to put in the second pairing, he'll be playing alongside, and will probably get slightly more minutes than.

He was the worst defenseman on MTL with a corsi of -5.99 and high a PDO above 1000 meaning he was a lucky player.

Gio was a better shutdown defenseman and there is more to a defenseman then just defense. You could argue he would be 3rd on the team in defensive ability but he would be the #4 defenseman at best and Glencross is worth a lot more.

TychoFan · Jul 30, 2013

Glencross for Eller+ would be a great trade for me, I am a huge fan of both teams.

herashak · Jul 30, 2013

id be happy with eller straight up

tmurfin · Jul 30, 2013

MonahanTheMan said:
I think he's probably better defensively than Wideman, Gio or Brodie. Whoever out of those three we decide to put in the second pairing, he'll be playing alongside, and will probably get slightly more minutes than.

I'm sorry but your terribly overrating Diaz.. That would be terrible value for Glencross.

Pirate King Luffy · Jul 30, 2013

Get a room.

InfinityIggy · Jul 30, 2013

MonahanTheMan said:
I think he's probably better defensively than Wideman, Gio or Brodie. Whoever out of those three we decide to put in the second pairing, he'll be playing alongside, and will probably get slightly more minutes than.

He was Montreal worst defender pretty much all season.

Trae · Jul 30, 2013

So Glencross is a third liner? News to me...

MonahanTheMan · Jul 31, 2013

Trae said:
So Glencross is a third liner? News to me...

Well, this year he will be, since Cammalleri will probably play on the first line and Sven on the second. That's what happens when you have too many left wings.

MonahanTheMan · Jul 31, 2013

InfinityIggy said:
He was Montreal worst defender pretty much all season.

All right, cool, guess you'd be happier getting Josh Gorges for Glencross. Or is Diaz better after all?

I'm trying to come up with a realistic trade proposal here. Diaz is coming off a much-improved season, has playoff experience, and did extremely well in Switzerland. Glencross is an unknown depth player on one of the worst teams in the NHL and has not been competent anywhere outside Calgary. I even threw in a prospect to make the deal fairer. Oh, yeah, Calgary's getting robbed on this one.

And yes, Eller is about equivalent value to Glencross. The thing is, we don't need another centre. We need a stronger defense. If you can find a defenseman you'd be happier with that Montreal would actually be willing to trade, go for it. Diaz is the best that Montreal would probably be willing to give up for a player like Glencross.

InfinityIggy · Jul 31, 2013

MonahanTheMan said:
All right, cool, guess you'd be happier getting Josh Gorges for Glencross. Or is Diaz better after all?

I'm trying to come up with a realistic trade proposal here. Diaz is coming off a much-improved season, has playoff experience, and did extremely well in Switzerland. Glencross is an unknown depth player on one of the worst teams in the NHL and has not been competent anywhere outside Calgary. I even threw in a prospect to make the deal fairer. Oh, yeah, Calgary's getting robbed on this one.

And yes, Eller is about equivalent value to Glencross. The thing is, we don't need another centre. We need a stronger defense. If you can find a defenseman you'd be happier with that Montreal would actually be willing to trade, go for it. Diaz is the best that Montreal would probably be willing to give up for a player like Glencross.

Id rather not trade him for ANY of Montreal's lackluster bottom pairing defenders. You really can't handle when people disagree with you...

MonahanTheMan · Jul 31, 2013

InfinityIggy said:
Id rather not trade him for ANY of Montreal's lackluster bottom pairing defenders. You really can't handle when people disagree with you...

Diaz generally played on the first or second pairing. And it's not that I can't handle when people disagree with me, it's that it's frustrating arguing with people who've no idea what they're talking about and overvalue their players' worth on the trade market solely because they're on their team.

InfinityIggy · Jul 31, 2013

MonahanTheMan said:
Diaz generally played on the first or second pairing. And it's not that I can't handle when people disagree with me, it's that it's frustrating arguing with people who've no idea what they're talking about and overvalue their players' worth on the trade market solely because they're on their team.

The irony....

I guess Diaz is a top pairing D :laugh:

and Glenx is a 3rd line scrub.

BrodieGoat · Jul 31, 2013

Glencross for Edler straight up ?

StreakingRed · Jul 31, 2013

No interest in moving Glencross. Not unless it were a massive over payment.

TheHudlinator · Jul 31, 2013

MonahanTheMan said:
Well, this year he will be, since Cammalleri will probably play on the first line and Sven on the second. That's what happens when you have too many left wings.

I would rather have the best 3rd line LWing in the league than a mediocre #4 (at best) defenseman.

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