Crosby vs players from 90s

[steleh]

In another thread, Mulletman, yes, him, said that Crosby compared more to the Forsbergs and Bures of the world rather than the generational talents. I'm paraphrasing here but i think this was his point.
The more I thought about it the more I felt i agreed. I thought about Sakic, Forsberg and Jagr, and i don't feel like there's a clear separation between those and Crosby. Sure, Crosby has many individual awards, but he didn't compete against Gretzky or Lemieux. So what I'm saying is I think Crosby is in the same tier of player as Forsberg, Sakic, Jagr and Lindros, and not a once in a generation or top 5 player of all time. Am I braindead?

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[Filthy Dangles]

In another thread, Mulletman, yes, him, said that Crosby compared more to the Forsbergs and Bures of the world rather than the generational talents. I'm paraphrasing here but i think this was his point.
The more I thought about it the more I felt i agreed. I thought about Sakic, Forsberg and Jagr, and i don't feel like there's a clear separation between those and Crosby. Sure, Crosby has many individual awards, but he didn't compete against Gretzky or Lemieux. So what I'm saying is I think Crosby is in the same tier of player as Forsberg, Sakic, Jagr and Lindros, and not a once in a generation or top 5 player of all time. Am I braindead?

 

[Kranix]

In another thread, Mulletman, yes, him, said that Crosby compared more to the Forsbergs and Bures of the world rather than the generational talents. I'm paraphrasing here but i think this was his point.
The more I thought about it the more I felt i agreed. I thought about Sakic, Forsberg and Jagr, and i don't feel like there's a clear separation between those and Crosby. Sure, Crosby has many individual awards, but he didn't compete against Gretzky or Lemieux. So what I'm saying is I think Crosby is in the same tier of player as Forsberg, Sakic, Jagr and Lindros, and not a once in a generation or top 5 player of all time. Am I braindead?

He's not as good as Jagr.

 

[vancityluongo]

Crosby is in the same tier as Jagr, which is a tier higher than Sakic/Lindros/Forsberg

 

[steleh]

He's not as good as Jagr.

Thank you

 

[Big McLargehuge]

He's not as good as Jagr.

Unless you ask the people who have seen them both play the most.

Crosby is in the same tier as Jagr, which is a tier higher than Sakic/Lindros/Forsberg

This is much easier to agree with.

 

[steleh]

Crosby is in the same tier as Jagr, which is a tier higher than Sakic/Lindros/Forsberg

I 100% agree with that. I feel like Jagr is very underrated here. Maybe because he went to Russia and he was old when he returned. But from 18-30 he was special. And even with the rangers he was still special.

 

[Pengwins]

Crosby is in the same tier as Jagr, which is a tier higher than Sakic/Lindros/Forsberg

This is correct

 

[Filthy Dangles]

He's not as good as Jagr.

not as 'sexy' a player or physically talented but i disagree and think he was a better overall player who made your team better. and I'm a Ranger fan who loved Jags growing up.

 

[Kranix]

not as 'sexy' a player or physically talented but i disagree and think he was a better overall player who made your team better. and I'm a Ranger fan who loved Jags growing up.

Sexy trumps everything else.

 

[MattySnipes]

Imo, Crosby is a top10 player of all time. I'd be okay saying that. He is still my favourite hockey player and I hope he can win another Cup.

If Crosby went head-to-head against Gretz he would destroy Wayne. Sid has the body of a man, while Wayne was built like a teenaged girl, sorta like EP40.

90s was my time, so after Lemieux and Jagr I'd be okay saying he's the best Penguin ever.

 

[Kranix]

Imo, Crosby is a top10 player of all time. I'd be okay saying that. He is still my favourite hockey player and I hope he can win another Cup.

If Crosby went head-to-head against Gretz he would destroy Wayne. Sid has the body of a man, while Wayne was built like a teenaged girl, sorta like EP40.

90s was my time, so after Lemieux and Jagr I'd be okay saying he's the best Penguin ever.

What about a little 2 on 2. Wayne (age 23) and a plug, versus Sid (age 23) and a plug. First to 10.

 

[Kranix]

Unless you ask the people who have seen them both play the most.



This is much easier to agree with.

Sure fair enough

 

[MattySnipes]

What about a little 2 on 2. Wayne (age 23) and a plug, versus Sid (age 23) and a plug. First to 10.

Sign me up. I'd legit pay to see that.

 

[Midnight Judges]

In another thread, Mulletman, yes, him, said that Crosby compared more to the Forsbergs and Bures of the world rather than the generational talents. I'm paraphrasing here but i think this was his point.
The more I thought about it the more I felt i agreed. I thought about Sakic, Forsberg and Jagr, and i don't feel like there's a clear separation between those and Crosby. Sure, Crosby has many individual awards, but he didn't compete against Gretzky or Lemieux. So what I'm saying is I think Crosby is in the same tier of player as Forsberg, Sakic, Jagr and Lindros, and not a once in a generation or top 5 player of all time. Am I braindead?

Dude those players aren't even on a tier with each other.

The only one of them that compares to Crosby is Jagr.

 

[Beauner]

Am I braindead?

No, but you're wrong.

Jagr's a clear level above the others and compares more closely to Crosby. There's being a superstar, and then there's absolutely dominating your peers thoroughly for much of your career, which is what Jagr and Crosby did

 

[steleh]

Alright. So most seem to think Jagr and Crosby are comparable. But what about Forsberg? Especially in the playoffs. Am I wrong to say id rather have Forsberg than Crosby centering my first line?

 

[Kranix]

Sign me up. I'd legit pay to see that.

Wayne doesn't get enough credit for his athleticism. I mean take a look at this:

 

[Kranix]

Alright. So most seem to think Jagr and Crosby are comparable. But what about Forsberg? Especially in the playoffs. Am I wrong to say id rather have Forsberg than Crosby centering my first line?

Sid all day. Forsberg was a great player though.

 

[82Ninety42011]

Imo, Crosby is a top10 player of all time. I'd be okay saying that. He is still my favourite hockey player and I hope he can win another Cup.

If Crosby went head-to-head against Gretz he would destroy Wayne. Sid has the body of a man, while Wayne was built like a teenaged girl, sorta like EP40.

90s was my time, so after Lemieux and Jagr I'd be okay saying he's the best Penguin ever.

This makes no sense pretty sure Messier would destroy Crosby to but yet Gretzky dominated like no other in the time when anything went. Sure he had bodyguards but he still played in an era that was vicious compared to now. Crosby is the best player of the last 10-15 years but because he's the best some make him generational. He's not as he's never dominated as true generational players did. Those would be Gretzky, Mario, Orr and Howe. You could possibly add Hasek to that list. When has Crosby ever dominated the league for any full season compared to how those guys lead the second-place scorers? Before anyone replies but he does more than scoring I realize that but his primary job is scoring. Heck could be argued he's not even the best player on his own team for a few of the years he's played with Malkin. I put Crosby with Sakic, Yzerman and Messier myself. Nothing wrong with being grouped with those players I might add. Cheers.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

1. Lemieux
2. Jagr/Crosby
3. Forsberg/Sakic/Yzerman/Lindros
4. Bure/Hull/Fedorov/Selanne/Mogilny/Sundin

 

[Big McLargehuge]

What about a little 2 on 2. Wayne (age 23) and a plug, versus Sid (age 23) and a plug. First to 10.

Stop reminding me of that Pond of Dreams thing from the 2000 All-Star Game.

Quite clearly the best use of time travel would be a pond hockey tournament of the best players from each generation.

 

[Lebowski]

1. Lemieux
2. Jagr/Crosby
3. Forsberg/Sakic/Lindros
4. Bure/Yzerman/Fedorov/Selanne

Yzerman and Sakic on different tiers seems odd.

 

[Kranix]

Stop reminding me of that Pond of Dreams thing from the 2000 All-Star Game.

Quite clearly the best use of time travel would be a pond hockey tournament of the best players from each generation.

Oh ya that was awesome. I like how Mario is as tall as Jagr on skates. and almost as tall as Lindros on skates lol
Ya Dit clapper v Joe malone v Rocket Richard v Orr v Gretzky etc They should do it. If they get a time machine.

 

[Paperbagofglory]

Wayne doesn't get enough credit for his athleticism. I mean take a look at this:

Do let the video fool you, its not slow motion, that just his regular speed now.