Crosby is a generational regular season player

[Sidney the Kidney]

-Well over a point per game in the playoffs career.
-Two Conn Smythes
-Three Cups
-A combined 77 points in 72 games during those three Cup runs

Yet, he's not a playoff performer. Right.

A positive thing about threads like these is it gives me a good idea about which posters whose opinions I can ignore on anything hockey related from now on.

 

[Horvath Broncos]

I been told that I am one of those "crosby haters" and maybe rightfully so in hindsight. And even I say he has nothing to prove in the postseasons or regular seasons. This generational player crap gets thrown around here way too easily. But if a player is in the conversation for top 5 spot all time he is generational and Crosby will soon have or maybe already has a legit claim for that spot.

 

[daver]

And i guess you Only watched the SCF against Nashville. Before that series Crosby wasn't even close to Malkin.

Man, your bias against Crosby used to be somewhat subtle, now it's borderline ridiculous.

 

[daver]

Let's see. He has the 2nd highest playoff point total of his era and the highest playoff goal total from the '09 Cup. He lead the playoffs in scoring in '08 when the Pens came within 2 wins of the Cup, and missed out by one point last year when he played 2 less games than Malkin. Is the leading playoff scorer and PPG leader of his era. Has lead Team Canada in scoring over his three appearances,including a scoring title, an OT golden goal, and another Gold Medal goal.

Is it just me or does thread not have a leg to stand on? I am surprised that the usual anti-Crosby crowd still bothers at this point.

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

Please stop using that term. Please

 

[radapex]

Crosby has reached this status through his consistency. Can it be said he is a generational player altogether when he hasn't lead his team in scoring in the playoffs when they won it all? Has this happened to other generational players in the forward category?

Let's look at it this way...

Career Points per Game: 6th all-time (1.306)
https://www.hockey-reference.com/leaders/points_per_game_career.html

Career Playoff Points per Game: 12th all-time (1.108)
https://www.hockey-reference.com/leaders/points_per_game_career_p.html

This despite playing in one of the lowest scoring eras in NHL history. He absolutely is a generational talent.

 

[gdsmack267]

Crosby has reached this status through his consistency. Can it be said he is a generational player altogether when he hasn't lead his team in scoring in the playoffs when they won it all? Has this happened to other generational players in the forward category?

He is 12th all time in playoff PPG, most of any active player.

Why dont you try again chief?

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

Let's look at it this way...

Career Points per Game: 6th all-time (1.306)
https://www.hockey-reference.com/leaders/points_per_game_career.html

Career Playoff Points per Game: 12th all-time (1.108)
https://www.hockey-reference.com/leaders/points_per_game_career_p.html

This despite playing in one of the lowest scoring eras in NHL history. He absolutely is a generational talent.

This is just...what? Is that your definition of what a generational talent is? If it is, are these "Generational" as well in your opinion?

PPG in the playoffs:

1		Wayne Gretzky	1961	F	208	122	260	382	66	86	34	11	24	0.587	1.250	1.837
2		Mario Lemieux	1965	F	107	76	96	172	87	20	29	7	11	0.710	0.897	1.607
3		Barry Pederson	1961	F	34	22	30	52	25	-2	2	1	4	0.647	0.882	1.529
4		Mark Messier	1961	F	236	109	186	295	244	42	24	14	12	0.462	0.788	1.250
5		Bobby Orr	1948	D	74	26	66	92	107		8	3	7	0.351	0.892	1.243
6		Mike Bossy	1957	F	129	85	75	160	38	3	35	0	17	0.659	0.581	1.240
7		Jari Kurri	1960	F	200	106	127	233	123	88	25	10	14	0.530	0.635	1.165
8		Gilbert Perreault	1950	F	90	33	70	103	44	2	10	0	5	0.367	0.778	1.144
9		Peter Forsberg	1973	F	151	64	107	171	163	54	16	2	14	0.424	0.709	1.132
10		Peter Stastny	1956	F	93	33	72	105	123	-4	13	1	7	0.355	0.774	1.129
11		Bernie Federko	1956	F	91	35	66	101	83	-10	13	0	4	0.385	0.725	1.110
12		Sidney Crosby	1987	F	148	57	107	164	71	15	18	0	9	0.385	0.723	1.108

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

PPG in the regular season:

1		Wayne Gretzky	1961	F	1487	894	1963	2857	577	520	204	73	91	0.601	1.320	1.921
2		Mario Lemieux	1965	F	915	690	1033	1723	834	114	236	49	74	0.754	1.129	1.883
3		Mike Bossy	1957	F	752	573	553	1126	210	380	180	8	80	0.762	0.735	1.497
4		Bobby Orr	1948	D	657	270	645	915	953	582	76	16	26	0.411	0.982	1.393
5		Marcel Dionne	1951	F	1348	731	1040	1771	600	27	234	19	73	0.542	0.772	1.314
6		Sidney Crosby	1987	F	795	387	651	1038	604	157	118	3	52	0.487	0.819	1.306
7		Peter Stastny	1956	F	977	450	789	1239	824	-15	145	7	54	0.461	0.808	1.268
8		Peter Forsberg	1973	F	708	249	636	885	690	238	71	16	43	0.352	0.898	1.250
9		Kent Nilsson	1956	F	553	264	422	686	116	-25	97	16	28	0.477	0.763	1.241
10		Phil Esposito	1942	F	1282	717	873	1590	910	252	246	23	118	0.559	0.681	1.240

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Im taking a "wild guess": no, they aren't?

 

[daver]

This is just...what? Is that your definition of what a generational talent is? If it is, are these "Generational" as well in your opinion?

PPG in the playoffs:

1		Wayne Gretzky	1961	F	208	122	260	382	66	86	34	11	24	0.587	1.250	1.837
2		Mario Lemieux	1965	F	107	76	96	172	87	20	29	7	11	0.710	0.897	1.607
3		Barry Pederson	1961	F	34	22	30	52	25	-2	2	1	4	0.647	0.882	1.529
4		Mark Messier	1961	F	236	109	186	295	244	42	24	14	12	0.462	0.788	1.250
5		Bobby Orr	1948	D	74	26	66	92	107		8	3	7	0.351	0.892	1.243
6		Mike Bossy	1957	F	129	85	75	160	38	3	35	0	17	0.659	0.581	1.240
7		Jari Kurri	1960	F	200	106	127	233	123	88	25	10	14	0.530	0.635	1.165
8		Gilbert Perreault	1950	F	90	33	70	103	44	2	10	0	5	0.367	0.778	1.144
9		Peter Forsberg	1973	F	151	64	107	171	163	54	16	2	14	0.424	0.709	1.132
10		Peter Stastny	1956	F	93	33	72	105	123	-4	13	1	7	0.355	0.774	1.129
11		Bernie Federko	1956	F	91	35	66	101	83	-10	13	0	4	0.385	0.725	1.110
12		Sidney Crosby	1987	F	148	57	107	164	71	15	18	0	9	0.385	0.723	1.108

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

PPG in the regular season:

1		Wayne Gretzky	1961	F	1487	894	1963	2857	577	520	204	73	91	0.601	1.320	1.921
2		Mario Lemieux	1965	F	915	690	1033	1723	834	114	236	49	74	0.754	1.129	1.883
3		Mike Bossy	1957	F	752	573	553	1126	210	380	180	8	80	0.762	0.735	1.497
4		Bobby Orr	1948	D	657	270	645	915	953	582	76	16	26	0.411	0.982	1.393
5		Marcel Dionne	1951	F	1348	731	1040	1771	600	27	234	19	73	0.542	0.772	1.314
6		Sidney Crosby	1987	F	795	387	651	1038	604	157	118	3	52	0.487	0.819	1.306
7		Peter Stastny	1956	F	977	450	789	1239	824	-15	145	7	54	0.461	0.808	1.268
8		Peter Forsberg	1973	F	708	249	636	885	690	238	71	16	43	0.352	0.898	1.250
9		Kent Nilsson	1956	F	553	264	422	686	116	-25	97	16	28	0.477	0.763	1.241
10		Phil Esposito	1942	F	1282	717	873	1590	910	252	246	23	118	0.559	0.681	1.240

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Im taking a "wild guess": no, they aren't?

So what's your definition? Or more for more clarity, why don't indicate where you think Crosby should be ranked all-time thru his first 12 seasons?

 

[Zorf]

I never thought I'd see the day where I'd find a thread that is worse than all of those Galchenyuk trade proposals, but here we are!

Does this thread make toewsintangibles a generational HR poster?

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

So what's your definition? Or more for more clarity, why don't indicate where you think Crosby should be ranked all-time thru his first 12 seasons?

I just think that it's hilarious that he defines a player "generational" be listing PPG in the regular season and the playoffs, since there are 10-ish players above him in these lists. Does he think that all these players are generational, or just 'his' guy?

I dont try to define the term "genereation" since I dont think it should exist in the first place.

 

[daver]

I just think that it's hilarious that he defines a player "generational" be listing PPG in the regular season and the playoffs, since there are 10-ish players above him in these lists. Does he think that all these players are generational, or just 'his' guy?

I dont try to define the term "genereation" since I dont think it should exist in the first place.

It would be better to show the gap between Crosby's PPG and his peers and compare that to other all-time greats to get a sense of where he rates. A look at that shows Crosby with a similar gap to Howe's best 12 season stretch.

If generational is limited to only the Big 4 then Crosby is not, if it includes another 5 to 7 players, Crosby is for sure.

 

[Tralfamadore]

He's no Toews that's for sure.

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

It would be better to show the gap between Crosby's PPG and his peers and compare that to other all-time greats to get a sense of where he rates. A look at that shows Crosby with a similar gap to Howe's best 12 season stretch.

If generational is limited to only the Big 4 then Crosby is not, if it includes another 5 to 7 players, Crosby is for sure.

Whats your obsession with that term? Yes, hes one of the best players today, but I'm guessing your list of "generational" players dont include the likes of Jagr, Hasek, Lidström. Why is his PPG, for example, more impressive than Forsbergs? He played in a harder era as well.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

[mod]

Crosby has been the best player on his team in the last two Stanley Cup runs. There's more to measuring a player's worth than points.

I'm not sure how anyone who watched last year's playoffs could say Malkin was better than Crosby. There was a reason Crosby won the award handily and it's not because of any tin-foil hat xenophobic media bias.

Malkin was better last year IMO and carried the team when Crosby missed time. Crosby was still quite good though. The year before was also a surprise win for Crosby.

 

[daver]

Whats your obsession with that term? Yes, hes one of the best players today, but I'm guessing your list of "generational" players dont include the likes of Jagr, Hasek, Lidström. Why is his PPG, for example, more impressive than Forsbergs? He played in a harder era as well.

A bit Euro-centric aren't we?

The point of the post you originally responded to was showing that Crosby is hardly a regular season performer only. With context, his PPG is very impressive but it seems you aren't able to apply any context. As for Crosby comparing to the players you mentioned, he is on a higher tier than all of them based on his career to date.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Jagr, Hasek and Lidstrom are all generation talents though, especially with Jagr and Hasek.

 

[Unspecified]

Let me guess you are a McDavid fanboy

 

[Laineux]

Crosby is the best playoff player of his generation...

 

[daver]

Jagr, Hasek and Lidstrom are all generation talents though, especially with Jagr and Hasek.

Could care less about the term "generational". It doesn't mean that all these players are equally good. Crosby is rivalled only by one or two players besides the Bog 4 in terms of accomplishments by age 30/thru 12 seasons.

 

[TheAngryHank]

Crosby has always been a great if not generational regular season nut puncher.Nut punching always goes down in the post season as things tighten up.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

He’s so good this thread doesn’t matter. Non-issue. I wish my superstar had his work ethic.

 

[Habs10025]

Crosby has reached this status through his consistency. Can it be said he is a generational player altogether when he hasn't lead his team in scoring in the playoffs when they won it all? Has this happened to other generational players in the forward category?

Anyway

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Jagr, Hasek and Lidstrom are all generation talents though, especially with Jagr and Hasek.

I think that's the problem with these threads (well most discussions about "generational" talent; this specific thread is idiotic because of its conclusion). People can't agree on what exactly is generational.

If generational means a player who comes along once in a life time that basically transcends the game, then there's been maybe 3 or 4 of them all time. But if generational means "best for most of his generation", then I think guys like you mentioned, and obviously Crosby, are generational.

 

[PensandCaps]

Crosby has reached this status through his consistency. Can it be said he is a generational player altogether when he hasn't lead his team in scoring in the playoffs when they won it all? Has this happened to other generational players in the forward category?

He has the best playoff PPG of any active player......WTH are you on about.