Proposal: Creative 4-Way Cap Dump Chi/TB/Det/VGK

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  1. 8999 Registered User

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    Gourde also has full NTC so it depends how open he is to moving. He is a valuable player but given his contract and TB's situation that everyone is aware of, I think TB will be lucky to unload him for free.
     
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    He was saying taking Fleury and recieving a 1st, 2nd for taking Fleury's contract from Vegas. It didnt read the way you interpreted it as
     
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    Strome for Seider and an unprotected first. It improves the redwings nhl roster so according to your logic, good deal for them right? Value/long term team needs be damned.
     
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    Hi,

    You may want to read more than just the post you responded too, but the actual conversation of posts where someone said that at 50% VGK would have to add Krebs or Glass to Fleury to get future considerations from DET.

    So your absolutely ridiculous offer is not just silly, but completely irrelevant and not at all analagous since I never suggested a rebuilding team should give up one of their best prospects for a veteran cap casualty. So... yeah, total fail.

    I can understand 100% why DET wouldn't give up anything significant for MAF.

    That wasn't the conversation though. The conversation was that there would have to be an add of a prime prospect attached to a 50% Fleury. Toews at 50% + Boqvist to DET for Future Considerations because Detroit has no interest in competing and thus Toews would be a total cap dump and would need a prime asset attached to him just get out of his contract.

    But of course that's ridiculous, which was the original point.

    Thanks for playing though.

    If we want to take your reductio ad absurdum approach like you did, one could say:
     
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    Probably need to take a break
     
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    Didn't Vegas offer MAF at 50% for a 2nd round pick around the leauge?
     
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    If we waived him, he would be picked up though. That's actually a kind of clever solution, although I'm in no hurry to lose Gourde after the playoff run he just had.

    But would I rather trade a 1st with Johnson? I don't know. Johnson was bad this year, but he's one season removed from 29 goals. If he could get back to 20-20 form, I'd rather lose Gourde than the 1st. But that's a big IF.
     
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    Sure, if you feel like you need to. I hope you'll be ok.
     
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    Getting so worked up about a silly trade thread. I’ll be ok. Will you sir?
     
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    Since you don't seem interested in discussing trades in a trade thread and instead just want to talk about other posters, I think perhaps your planned break is a good idea. If you'd like to discuss on topic things, let me know.
     
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    Will do chief. Miss you
     
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    Sure he may very well get claimed on waivers but some people thought TJ would get claimed as well.

    I'm not sure other GMs will take on any players from TB (unless they are attached to great sweeteners) until they see what happens with the RFAs. And I don't think they are doing this just to 'screw' JBB, I think it's b/c any GM that has the cap space to take on a Johnson/Gourde would prefer to save it to take a shot at getting Cirelli (or another RFA) first, if any end up on the trading block. Even if TB manages to sign all the RFAs, the price of every trade that TB must then do to clear even more space goes up even higher, so it's worth waiting out.
     
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    the problem is the few teams with the cap space to help tampa, know the time is working in their favor. with every fa and rfa signing tampa's option get even more scarce. currently you say, you would attach a pick to johnson. look back and see, what you thought 3 month ago, what would be the return for johnson. brisbois would better start to act quickly and move out salary, where he can or he will be at the mercy of his former boss. detroit could raid your roster: cernak for a fourth. johnson and cirelli for a second. gourde and sergachev for a first.
     
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    Vegas offered Fleury at 50% + a 2nd for FREE and nobody was taking it. Take a lap
     
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    FTFY. Vegas never offered to take on any retention on Fleury themselves. No idea where this misinformation stems from.
     
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    :laugh: :laugh: On what planet is Strome worth Seider and a top 5 pick? None i can truly think of.
     
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    ...Um, he was being sarcastic. Very obviously sarcastic.
     
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    Lol at this message connected with that profile pic :P
     
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    Just took my lap, feels good. Hey can you please post a link from a published report that he was offered at 50% AND a 2nd rd pick (not just a 2nd rd pick w/ 0 retention). Thanks.

    I'll just keep on running laps while waiting for you to back up your claim with evidence.
     
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    It came from drinking too much Schmaltz Liquor.
     
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    Take this on your way out next time kid


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    • Detroit gets 1 firsts and 2 seconds for Vegas' 3rd and retaining 1/2 of MAF's contract.
    • Vegas gets TJ and a 3rd for MAF, 1st and 2nd.
    • Tampa pays a 1st and a second to get someone to take a perfectly fine 2nd line center.
    • Chicago pays a 1st and a second for 2 years of a starting goalie.

    1. Detroit.... well let's just say we've never EVER seen a team make out this well with multiple trades.
    2. I think Vegas is paying too much... but then we've seen Vegas get pennies for sending great players out already.
    3. I think Tampa is paying too much.. but then again look at what I just said about Vegas.
    4. I'm 100% certain that Chicago is paying too much for 2 years of a 35 year old goalie. Regardless of whether or not there's salary retention Detroit is still selling them something that takes up cap space. Take the 2nd rounder out.
     
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    That's unrealistic. If Detroit is going to sell dead cap space it's going to cost more than that.
     
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    A first for Fleury is still hilariously awful for Chicago
     
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    Is it? He's still good and he's cheap and his contract ends in 2 years. If Chicago wants to contend, it's probably the best deal they're gonna get.
     

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