NFL: Crater for Caleb, Bad play for Maye - Bears clinch #1 pick via Panthers and rest of order set

[Romang67]

Like someone said above, I'm not sold on the top two QBs for the same reasons, draft MHJ 1st and give Fields a weapon. If Fields ends up not working out after next season, look at those QBs, but you still have MJH for the next guy to use.

QB1 in next year's draft would probably have been QB4 in this year's draft. They are also extremely unlikely to have as high a draft pick next season.

It's not like they can wait a year and would then be back in the same position. Sitting on the 1st overall pick with someone else's draft pick in a strong QB draft is unprecedented.

 

[StreetHawk]

Biggest decision going for the Bears.

1) New president has to decide on Poles, a GM he did not hire. Is he the person to decide on the HC and thus the action on the 1st pick of the draft?
2) Whomever the GM is, first duty is then to decide on Eberflus. IMO, if you keep him, it has to be with the commitment to keep him for another 2-3 seasons. Can't be, you are on the hot stove in 2024, ala Nagy was after they drafted Fields and then fired him. And if new HC, are you limiting your seach to who wants to work with Fields, or do you then allow the new HC to have input on the QB decision?
3) Related to #2, who is your QB going to be? If it is Fields, then you are deciding on a HC that fits and works with him. If not Fields, then you allow the HC to have input into the draft selection.
Williams, I have my concerns about how he is going to be even keeled enough to handle the ups and downs of the NFL. This isn't college where the top 5-6 programs have 0-2 losses. Best NFL team so far has lost 4 games. And the next best 3-5 teams have lost 5-6 games.
Maye, the ACC competition is limited due to Clemson being down since Lawrence left. Miami still in transition with Cristobal. FSU, they didn't play them with Maye at QB. Maye looks the part with size, arm and mobility.
Daniels - just won the Heisman.

 

[BB88]

Especially after passing on the top pick last year if the Bears don’t come out of this draft with either Caleb or Harrison it’s a massive failure.

These chances are so rare in the league and the Bears shouldn’t be thinking about picking high for years after this draft

 

[hockey20000]

why would you want caleb on your team he is super immature and comes across as a lockerroom poison/toxic once he gets to the nfl.

 

[BB88]

Like someone said above, I'm not sold on the top two QBs for the same reasons, draft MHJ 1st and give Fields a weapon. If Fields ends up not working out after next season, look at those QBs, but you still have MJH for the next guy to use.

They can’t have back to back 1st overall picks and be in a situation where they don’t have a QB

 

[Bounces R Way]

Probably is not what is going to happen but I think the Bears should draft a QB and also keep Fields. Competition breeds better players. Don't know why so many NFL teams are so keen to throw a rookie QB into the fire as the no doubt starter anyway. It's one of the hardest jobs in sports, takes time to learn playbooks and how to read pro defenses, not to mention a lot of them need to put some muscle on too.

With the way QBs went down this year sure don't see the harm in having two good ones. Throwing in the towel on a whole season just cuz one guy busted his ankle seems like a huge waste.

 

[Romang67]

Probably is not what is going to happen but I think the Bears should draft a QB and also keep Fields. Competition breeds better players. Don't know why so many NFL teams are so keen to throw a rookie QB into the fire as the no doubt starter anyway. It's one of the hardest jobs in sports, takes time to learn playbooks and how to read pro defenses, not to mention a lot of them need to put some muscle on too.

With the way QBs went down this year sure don't see the harm in having two good ones. Throwing in the towel on a whole season just cuz one guy busted his ankle seems like a huge waste.

I dont think it works from a psychology perspective. If it did, I would definitely be on board. I think Fields seems like an awesome guy, but asking him to mentor his replacement in only year 4 in the league is a lot.

 

[GKJ]

Probably is not what is going to happen but I think the Bears should draft a QB and also keep Fields. Competition breeds better players. Don't know why so many NFL teams are so keen to throw a rookie QB into the fire as the no doubt starter anyway. It's one of the hardest jobs in sports, takes time to learn playbooks and how to read pro defenses, not to mention a lot of them need to put some muscle on too.

With the way QBs went down this year sure don't see the harm in having two good ones. Throwing in the towel on a whole season just cuz one guy busted his ankle seems like a huge waste.

This is actually something I was thinking about, if they drafted Bo Nix or something on Day 2. Everyone going to be tying him to Brock Purdy with comparisons given his experience level.

 

[BB88]

Probably is not what is going to happen but I think the Bears should draft a QB and also keep Fields. Competition breeds better players. Don't know why so many NFL teams are so keen to throw a rookie QB into the fire as the no doubt starter anyway. It's one of the hardest jobs in sports, takes time to learn playbooks and how to read pro defenses, not to mention a lot of them need to put some muscle on too.

With the way QBs went down this year sure don't see the harm in having two good ones. Throwing in the towel on a whole season just cuz one guy busted his ankle seems like a huge waste.

I think they should trade him and try to surround Caleb with better players with the assets.

Or keep Fields and take Harrison and run with Fields- Harrison- Moore.

What they can’t do and what they’ll likely do is ignore the above and trade too far back

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Is this going to be official pre-draft speculation/guys entering draft news, etc thread?

If so, JJ McCarthy stock goes up after his performance tonight

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I think they should trade him and try to surround Caleb with better players with the assets.

Or keep Fields and take Harrison and run with Fields- Harrison- Moore.

What they can’t do and what they’ll likely do is ignore the above and trade too far back

They traded back last year. Unless they gape the other team catastrophically they can't trade back again unless they are 100% sure Fields is the guy (not that the Bears have a track record of being trusted on QB's in the first place tbh).

Take the best QB first, build up that interior OL (i don't think the Bears' tackles are all rhat bad but what do i know) and set him up for success. OL is way more important than WR.

 

[BB88]

They traded back last year. Unless they gape the other team catastrophically they can't trade back again unless they are 100% sure Fields is the guy (not that the Bears have a track record of being trusted on QB's in the first place tbh).

Take the best QB first, build up that interior OL (i don't think the Bears' tackles are all rhat bad but what do i know) and set him up for success. OL is way more important than WR.

They can’t trade back, just can’t.
Which is what many of the ”experts” are suggesting they should do.

You can not have 2 1st overalls and lose out on all the QB’s and Harrison. You just can’t. This league runs around superstars/game changers.

But at the same time I wouldn’t be surprised if they ended up doing something as stupid, I’d be a bit mad but not surprised

 

[Zilo44]

Bears should draft Caleb and call it a day.

Only trade partner I could see is the Commanders overpaying to moving up one spot

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

They can’t trade back, just can’t.
Which is what many of the ”experts” are suggesting they should do.

You can not have 2 1st overalls and lose out on all the QB’s and Harrison. You just can’t. This league runs around superstars/game changers.

Trading down doesn't mean you miss out on all of Williams, Maye, Daniels or Harrison

It depends who Bears trade down with and what they get

Personally, I would be seeing if NE or Arizona want to trade up. Get assets and still be in position to land one of the top prospects.

 

[BB88]

Trading down doesn't mean you miss out on all of Williams, Maye, Daniels or Harrison

It depends who Bears trade down with and what they get

Personally, I would be seeing if NE or Arizona want to trade up. Get assets and still be in position to land one of the top prospects.

I just can’t agree with a team that’s okay with missing out on both Caleb& Harrison. You are just asking to get fired at that point.

I can understand somehow going for Harrison over Caleb but not on anyone else going above them.
Harrison is considered a generational Wr draft prospect and Caleb was considered in Burrow/Lawrence draft tier prior to this season

This is the last time for the next 10 years Bears should be thinking about drafting in the top5 so take the best player possible and run with it with a smile

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

- Trade down for haul
- Grab Odunze + Penix
- Trade Fields for pick

Is appealing possibility for me

One of several possible scenario's I am liking

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

At this point I think 5 QB's go in 1st round with chance of six (If someone is in love with Nix and wants to trade back in at end of 1st to grab him)

 

[GKJ]

Cam Ward apparently looking at getting in. Someone giving him bad advice there.

 

[Hasbro]

Especially after passing on the top pick last year if the Bears don’t come out of this draft with either Caleb or Harrison it’s a massive failure.

These chances are so rare in the league and the Bears shouldn’t be thinking about picking high for years after this draft

Yep. It's like Elway opting for Chubb over Allen. You get a case of Galaxy Brain you are gambling with your job.

 

[John Price]

 

[StreetHawk]

I mean NE plays the Jets whom they have done well against. So, SOS may not even play.

 

[Karterthadon]

During this "heater" that the Bears are currently on, Fields has done the following: 4 TD's, 3 picks, 59% completion % and a passer rating in the 70's.

This whole thing is silly, the Bears are drafting a QB.

 

[Unholy Diver]

I get that the Bears need more than just a QB, but a great QB lifts his OK teammates more than great teammates lift an OK QB

You don't go a fancy steakhouse and choose the 4th best steak so that you can get the best baked potato

 

[Voight]

Bears should draft Caleb and call it a day.

Only trade partner I could see is the Commanders overpaying to moving up one spot

It wouldn't surprise me. Ownership might wanna go for the flashy move.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I get that the Bears need more than just a QB, but a great QB lifts his OK teammates more than great teammates lift an OK QB

You don't go a fancy steakhouse and choose the 4th best steak so that you can get the best baked potato

That might be the single greatest metaphor for this topic that I've ever heard, and it's exactly correct.