NFL: Crater for Caleb, Bad play for Maye - Bears clinch #1 pick via Panthers and rest of order set

[Blackhawkswincup]

Alt's age makes him even more intriguing.

Imagine landing a franchise tackle at that age. You're looking potentially at a guy who can anchor your line for 15 years.

If he works out of course

 

[BB88]

Alt's age makes him even more intriguing.

Imagine landing a franchise tackle at that age. You're looking potentially at a guy who can anchor your line for 15 years.

If he works out of course

Jets, Bears, Chargers?

 

[Romang67]

Jets, Bears, Chargers?

Bears have good young tackles on both ends. On the other hand, I'd say that like half the teams in the top 10 of the draft right now will be looking closely at drafting tackles.

Giants, Titans, Chargers, Commanders, Jets.

This is assuming the Patriots and Raiders are more interested in a QB.

 

[tTheVeganWoofMate]

Hopefully with the news someone else will be picking the Pats draft. Take MHJ at 2 trade back into top 10 for Daniels.
That’s the way to do to it. Could be like Houston and turn it around right away. With the defense and 100 mil they shore up the o line and sign a Higgins type WR.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Hopefully with the news someone else will be picking the Pats draft. Take MHJ at 2 trade back into top 10 for Daniels.
That’s the way to do to it. Could be like Houston and turn it around right away. With the defense and 100 mil they shore up the o line and sign a Higgins type WR.

Don't see how Pats have assets to trade back into top 10 unless they are prepared to move multiple 1st round picks, this years 2nd and other picks (future 2nd/3rd's)

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Alt's age makes him even more intriguing.

Imagine landing a franchise tackle at that age. You're looking potentially at a guy who can anchor your line for 15 years.

If he works out of course

Ola Fashanu is basically the same age. Alt will be 21 in February, Ola turned 21 just a few days ago in Dec.

Covid really caused an upswing in age due to the NCAA allowing for additional seasons but it should be returning back to norm next season. NIL may influence some players but the really good players who are first rounders will come out as soon as they can.

 

[BB88]

Bears have good young tackles on both ends. On the other hand, I'd say that like half the teams in the top 10 of the draft right now will be looking closely at drafting tackles.

Giants, Titans, Chargers, Commanders, Jets.

This is assuming the Patriots and Raiders are more interested in a QB.

There’s so many teams playing with back up QB’s so will be intresting to see how the top of the draft again goes.
For Jets it would be a lottery win if they could add an elite cost controlled O-line asset this offseason

 

[BB88]

I’m surprised by the Caleb vs Fields arguments in the media.

Before the season Caleb was hyped like Lawrence and QB is the most valuable position in the game. Every team would give up about everything to land Mahomes/Burrow/Allen caliber QB (and none would do so for Fields) and there’s plenty people in media who would rather keep Fields over drafting Caleb.

At the same time if they think there’s a real argument to keep Fields over Caleb Fields should have strong trade value considering how many desperate teams there are for QB’s.


Just pick a QB, reset the clock, strenghten either line with your own pick and keep building the depth with Fields return. With the Sweat addition as well they should look very different next season

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I think so. New HC. Not every HC is wanting a 5'10 qb. but gannon is not an offensive guy. Going to see if his guy can work with kyler.

If the Cards trade him, what they are left on the hook for would be:
$17.5 mill of his SB.
$28.8 mill of an option
that's $46.3 mill or so.

New team has to, per the current contract:
$35.3 mill of the $37 mill 2024 base salary is guaranteed right now.
Full $18 mill 2025 base salary is guaranteed this upcoming March. $11.9 mill of roster bonus also guarantee in March.
Full $22.8 mill of 2026 base salary is guaranteed in March 2025. $17 mill of roster bonus alos guarantees the same march 2025.
Full $19.5 mill of 2027 base salary is guaranteed in March 2026. Roster bonus of $14 mill guaranteed in march 2027, not 2026.
Plus $2 mill in roster/game & workout bonuses

Basically another team that takes Murray is ultimately having to commit 2024, 2025, 2026 to him. Would have to eat $19.5 mill of base salary for 2027 if they don't bring him back in 2027.

3 year commitment would cost around $127 mill for 3 years, average of $42 mill per season but allocated over 4 years with that final $19.5 mill. Or it's $160 mill over 4 years.

Who is taking on that commitment? QB needy league.

There is zero chance that a team will guarantee his 2025 salary before he has played a game for them. Either that or they will guarantee the first two years and then push the next roster bonus til after 2025.

My thought is, if a team is going to trade for him, they will ask him to restructure.

 

[StreetHawk]

There is zero chance that a team will guarantee his 2025 salary before he has played a game for them. Either that or they will guarantee the first two years and then push the next roster bonus til after 2025.

My thought is, if a team is going to trade for him, they will ask him to restructure.

Murray and his agent might just even dare the Cards to cut him. Not good for a new QB, be it Williams or Maye to have Murray on the roster. Get the 2024 base of $37 mill from the cards and be a free agent to boot.

Or, like you said, Murray and new team work out a new deal that basically guarantees him 2 years of being that team's starter. He has the $37 mill guaranteed for 2024 already. He just needs to ensure that the team gives him a chance to be there for 2 years at least to show that he's their guy.

 

[Tony Romo]

Alt's age makes him even more intriguing.

Imagine landing a franchise tackle at that age. You're looking potentially at a guy who can anchor your line for 15 years.

If he works out of course

Basically what happened when the Cowboys took Tyron Smith. Believe he was SUPER young 20, maybe 21 at the draft.

 

[StreetHawk]

Basically what happened when the Cowboys took Tyron Smith. Believe he was SUPER young 20, maybe 21 at the draft.

Realistically, when you draft this high, your aim is to have a guy play really well on the rookie deal and is worthy of a big long term deal after it which takes him to 30. After that, depends on injuries and how the player ages production wise.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Do you guys see Thomas Jr being 1st rounder or 2nd rounder in this draft?

He had good year opposite Nabers but at same time is pretty raw and before this season was meh

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Fields era will end

Bears need new QB

Question is do you go with tier 1 (Williams or Maye) or trade down getting assets and go tier 2 (Daniels, McCarthy, etc)

 

[hatterson]

Fields era will end

Bears need new QB

Question is do you go with tier 1 (Williams or Maye) or trade down getting assets and go tier 2 (Daniels, McCarthy, etc)

If recent years of the NFL have taught us anything, it's that nothing else matters unless you have the guy at QB. The only way you should trade down for a QB is if you believe the guy you're gonna get will be just as good as those guys.

 

[StreetHawk]

If recent years of the NFL have taught us anything, it's that nothing else matters unless you have the guy at QB. The only way you should trade down for a QB is if you believe the guy you're gonna get will be just as good as those guys.

Also depends on the HC. If you opt to go Defensive again, who is going to be that guy's OC? Quinn had Shanahan, who left for SF. McDermott had Daboll who left to NYG. Campbell, was a former TE, but he's no offensive guru, and most likely Johnson is going to leave. Ryans, brought over someone from SF to be his OC. Probably gets another season as the OC before teams come calling him if Stroud continues to improve.
That's one of the key negatives for a Defensive HC coming up. Teams will raid their offensive staff if they are good. then you have to go out and recruit or promote someone else to take over. Doesn't always pan out as well when you have to do that.

If you go QB, have to fire ME, unless you are going to give him 3 more seasons as HC. Don't repeat the Nagy situation where after a year you need to find a HC to match up with your recently drafted QB. Need to give the HC and QB time to develop.

 

[Melrose Munch]

Do you guys see Thomas Jr being 1st rounder or 2nd rounder in this draft?

He had good year opposite Nabers but at same time is pretty raw and before this season was meh

2nd rounder

bears should try to get him. And some more linemen.

 

[Melrose Munch]

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[BB88]

If recent years of the NFL have taught us anything, it's that nothing else matters unless you have the guy at QB. The only way you should trade down for a QB is if you believe the guy you're gonna get will be just as good as those guys.

Which is again why the talk between Fields and Caleb seems so weird.

Teams with superstar Wr’s+ average QB’s are limited, teams with superstar QB’s basically have a window throughout the QB’s prime

 

[Unholy Diver]

Fields era will end

Bears need new QB

Question is do you go with tier 1 (Williams or Maye) or trade down getting assets and go tier 2 (Daniels, McCarthy, etc)

Take the top QB, compromise somewhere else

 

[StreetHawk]

Which is again why the talk between Fields and Caleb seems so weird.

Teams with superstar Wr’s+ average QB’s are limited, teams with superstar QB’s basically have a window throughout the QB’s prime

Will always have to work with the QB on restructuring contract but then have to rely on ability to draft and develop players to fill needs.

I mean what is the cost of an average QB when Carr gets $35 mill per over 2 years in real cash?

What is Purdy going to sign for? He may not ask for the $50 mill that the top few are getting but, it shouldn't be down to what Carr is getting. Cousins, after his initial 3 year $84 mill fully guaranteed contract with Minny, he extended for 3 more seasons to earn $101 mill more, so close to $34 mill per season over the past 3 years.

It's really going to end up being like a $13/14 mill difference between the top to mid level QBs. Which is the cost of a top notch IOL, WR2, TE1, CB2, type of player that you need to cut and go with a rookie contract on.

 

[BB88]

Will always have to work with the QB on restructuring contract but then have to rely on ability to draft and develop players to fill needs.

I mean what is the cost of an average QB when Carr gets $35 mill per over 2 years in real cash?

What is Purdy going to sign for? He may not ask for the $50 mill that the top few are getting but, it shouldn't be down to what Carr is getting. Cousins, after his initial 3 year $84 mill fully guaranteed contract with Minny, he extended for 3 more seasons to earn $101 mill more, so close to $34 mill per season over the past 3 years.

It's really going to end up being like a $13/14 mill difference between the top to mid level QBs. Which is the cost of a top notch IOL, WR2, TE1, CB2, type of player that you need to cut and go with a rookie contract on.

QB is the most valuble position in the game.

Unless your team is build like SF you really can’t expect any of the 3 you mentioned carry the team into Super Bowl win.

But when you have guys like Mahomes, Burrow, Allen you can always say you have a chance, every year pretty much, even after being paid. Every year you have a chance to compete for the division win.

 

[StreetHawk]

QB is the most valuble position in the game.

Unless your team is build like SF you really can’t expect any of the 3 you mentioned carry the team into Super Bowl win.

But when you have guys like Mahomes, Burrow, Allen you can always say you have a chance, every year pretty much, even after being paid. Every year you have a chance to compete for the division win.

You will have ups and downs over their tenure but always have a chance. Just need to be smart and draft and develop well. One thing that helps is to have an offensive HC that way you are not concerned about losing an OC.

For DC, get a former HC like a Spags, who at this point seems unlikely to get another a HC opportunity. So you have continuity in your staff.

Purdy, getting a tonne of praise as he should for what he has done. See come March 2025, what he looks to get paid. Don’t play even though he has a contract for year 4 since he will only have made like $2.5 mill by then. Bosa with a $28 mill guaranteed contract can play out year 4, he should not.

In the end though very few elite QBs in the league. Build with what you have. SF model going to be hard to keep up once QB gets paid.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Take the top QB, compromise somewhere else

Bingo. Nothing else needs to be said.

 

[BB88]

You will have ups and downs over their tenure but always have a chance. Just need to be smart and draft and develop well. One thing that helps is to have an offensive HC that way you are not concerned about losing an OC.

For DC, get a former HC like a Spags, who at this point seems unlikely to get another a HC opportunity. So you have continuity in your staff.

Purdy, getting a tonne of praise as he should for what he has done. See come March 2025, what he looks to get paid. Don’t play even though he has a contract for year 4 since he will only have made like $2.5 mill by then. Bosa with a $28 mill guaranteed contract can play out year 4, he should not.

In the end though very few elite QBs in the league. Build with what you have. SF model going to be hard to keep up once QB gets paid.

& if you have a chance at landing an elite QB it should be a no brainer.
This league is full of garbage QB’s killing teams seasons. Jets were supposed to be contenders and without their QB they are one of the worst teams in the league

As Sharpe said yesterday QB is the position you can’t hide in football.
You can have an elite Wr but you need someone to give him the ball

Draft the QB if you think he can be elite and give yourself a 15 year window to build around him, that’s something 20+ teams are envious of