Because giving up a grade A piece would be stupid. Hall himself hasnt been a Grade A piece in a couple years. If you cant elevate a team that has decent pieces like NJ how the hell is he going to elevate us.
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Because giving up a grade A piece would be stupid. Hall himself hasnt been a Grade A piece in a couple years. If you cant elevate a team that has decent pieces like NJ how the hell is he going to elevate us.
He probably isn't so there probably isn't a deal to be done. But it doesn't sound like the suggestions here will be of much interest.
Never elite, definition of a replacement level player just being fed minutes. Probably a 3rd liner here, not noticeably better than Vinny. Kreider brings better offense, defense, and is better on the PP.
Kreider should be the top target, followed by a guy like Palmieri.
I would actually just overpay for Zucker at this point, given the prices we're talking about for Hall. Problem is, Minny doesn't suck anymore. He has a better GAR/60 than Hall. He gets Chayka all hot and bothered for a reason. But if they insist on Dvorak, that's a dead end.
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Zucker or Palmieri please!
Also, I like Vinny a lot more than Fischer.
Also, I like Vinny a lot more than Fischer.
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I'd rather keep Fischer even though I always root for the Italian first. We have several players like Vinny. Even though Fischer doesn't use his size like we'd prefer, you can't teach it. Hopefully he'll improve in that area. I don't think either guy will ever score a ton.
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I kind of like the idea of Kreider for one of Hinostroza or Fischer and a conditional 2nd round pick (becomes a 1st if we re-sign Kreider).
The only way we could keep both Soderberg and Kreider in Arizona long term would be to move Raanta in the offseason as well. Maybe a draft day deal type of thing where we trade Raanta and picks for players, picks, or both. Maybe something like Raanta and a 5th to Ottawa for one of their 2nd round picks with Anderson an upcoming UFA for Ottawa.
The only way we could keep both Soderberg and Kreider in Arizona long term would be to move Raanta in the offseason as well. Maybe a draft day deal type of thing where we trade Raanta and picks for players, picks, or both. Maybe something like Raanta and a 5th to Ottawa for one of their 2nd round picks with Anderson an upcoming UFA for Ottawa.
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Kreider is 30 and his big time scoring days are over. Which is why the Rags are going to trade him and I'd certainly wouldn't trade a conditional 1st for him.
I just don't see Kreider as a tipping point, so I don't want to burn any assets in order to acquire him. Hall on the other hand I think would add to our group, but that's where it gets sticky as we'd have to give up a bigger piece, which I don't want to do. We need to keep Raanta...we have to add a scorer but not at the expense of losing Raanta. We can trade Raanta in the offseason.
I just don't see Kreider as a tipping point, so I don't want to burn any assets in order to acquire him. Hall on the other hand I think would add to our group, but that's where it gets sticky as we'd have to give up a bigger piece, which I don't want to do. We need to keep Raanta...we have to add a scorer but not at the expense of losing Raanta. We can trade Raanta in the offseason.
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The end of Devils current road trip will be against the Coyotes. Let's hope they'll just leave Glendale without him.
Chayka is almost as motivated as Shero to drive up the price. You can't let the Avs load up for cheap. If the price is somewhat reasonable you can forge ahead with the Hall deal - otherwise just keep upping the ante. Just don't get caught with your bid paddle in the air if your bidding a little higher than you should.
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If it does not happen, it would not have been a bad thing for Chayka to let Hall and his agent know that he is very keen on him. Might be very useful in the summer.
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My dream scenario has Zucker coming here, Todd walsh going to MN., with Zucker's wife taking over for walsh.
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So, Zucker for Walsh? Wouldn't have been the worst main-board thread ever. But I doubt they would allow it to live long.
I think I read this week that .909 was League average for starters? Also need to consider the Team and the system. I know many think we have the greatest tandem but imo if you remove either of our goalies from the Coyote's and put them on one of the struggling team's their time at the top of goalie stats would end. Not saying they aren't good but all of their records go right along with the system.
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I'm surprised it took 5 pages before this opinion was expressed. He is soft and playing poorly (again). Year after year he has had an excuse. I would be delighted to see him go, I would be fine seeing Keller go too.
Conversely, watching Bahl play elsewhere, dominating and smashing Yotes players would be terrible.
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Devils would never take on Keller. They already have a soft little Jack Hughes. These guys from the US national program seem a tad overrated. Always soft for sure.
Taylor Hall was MVP two years ago. he's an elite player who would help the Yotes. He's perfect for the Yotes. All depends on what you got to give up. I dont want him for Montreal. We have a whole group of very good prospects coming up.
Taylor Hall was MVP two years ago. he's an elite player who would help the Yotes. He's perfect for the Yotes. All depends on what you got to give up. I dont want him for Montreal. We have a whole group of very good prospects coming up.
Can he steal a game? Can he play consistently without a save percentage at our above league average? Can u trust for that goalie to play at a high level for 50-60 games/season?
goalie can be a little bit of voodoo. Babrovsky was run out of town in Philli and yet established himself as a top goalie in Columbus. Keumper was a scrap piece that all of a sudden fits perfectly into a Coyote system. Mike Smith was washed up garbage in Tampa and re-established himself as a nhl goalie in AZ. It’s a bit of system, fit, opportunity, and talent. Some teams appear to have a knack at it. Others it’s a train wreck.
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Also for goalies, it can depend on the type of defensive structure that you have in place.
Play a lot of zone? You might want a goalie who plays a slightly shallower arc, otherwise the zone getting flooded can create some soft angles if the goalie plays a higher arc. I think that it is really hard to tell a goalie that you need to change something like arc play, because there is a comfort level for goalies of where their vision points are and what they had been presented with growing up. Kind of like how stand up was the style, followed by butterfly, then this sort of hybrid style, you kind of stick with what you were taught, and then changing things during your career can take some effort to get used to. A different arc may mean seeing the puck a little less clearly, but having more time to react.
Play a lot of zone? You might want a goalie who plays a slightly shallower arc, otherwise the zone getting flooded can create some soft angles if the goalie plays a higher arc. I think that it is really hard to tell a goalie that you need to change something like arc play, because there is a comfort level for goalies of where their vision points are and what they had been presented with growing up. Kind of like how stand up was the style, followed by butterfly, then this sort of hybrid style, you kind of stick with what you were taught, and then changing things during your career can take some effort to get used to. A different arc may mean seeing the puck a little less clearly, but having more time to react.
Recent League MVP Taylor Hall hasn’t been a grade A piece? Interesting perspective.
Hey he's 2 points shy of getting a point for every game he played in the last 4 seasons!!!! Definitely not Grade A. SMH
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