Friedman: Coyotes gauging the market on Chychrun

[Bevans]

Based on what Eichel returned:
1st round pick
Robertson - high upside NHL ready prospect
Sandin - current impact player
4 mil in cap

Sandin isn’t as good as Tuch however his potential is probably a bit higher.

Yeeeeeesh.

 

[PAZ]

Based on what Eichel returned:
1st round pick
Robertson - high upside NHL ready prospect
Sandin - current impact player
4 mil in cap

Sandin isn’t as good as Tuch however his potential is probably a bit higher.

The homer in this one is strong.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Based on what Eichel returned:
1st round pick
Robertson - high upside NHL ready prospect
Sandin - current impact player
4 mil in cap

Sandin isn’t as good as Tuch however his potential is probably a bit higher.

When exactly did Eichel become a value comparable for Chychrun?

 

[Reality Czech]

When exactly did Eichel become a value comparable for Chychrun?

In their dreams, apparently

 

[ole ole]

Based on what Eichel returned:
1st round pick
Robertson - high upside NHL ready prospect
Sandin - current impact player
4 mil in cap

Sandin isn’t as good as Tuch however his potential is probably a bit higher.

Oh my God. Where do we start.

Buf's 1st >>>>>>Leafs 1st.
Krebs>> Roberson
Tuch>>>Sandin
Ah the 4 mil in cap space makes up the difference, right .

 

[Bevans]

This thread is Just repeating itself over and over again. New lemmings with Robertson offers and "but why (super injured, super expensive, no bidding teams) Eichel?" arguments.

Thank God Chychrun's back tonight. Hopefully he goes back to getting 5 shots a game and his shooting percentage regressed to the mean so low bidders can stop pretending he's not good at hockey.

 

[Anthony5967]

This thread is Just repeating itself over and over again. New lemmings with Robertson offers and "but why (super injured, super expensive, no bidding teams) Eichel?" arguments.

Thank God he's back tonight. Hopefully he goes back to getting 5 shots a game and his shooting percentage regressed to the mean so low bidders can stop pretending he's not good at hockey.

Who is back?

EDIT: Nevermind lol. I got side tracked and thought you meant Eichel.

 

[29Potvin]

Oh my God. Where do we start.

Buf's 1st >>>>>>Leafs 1st.
Krebs>> Roberson
Tuch>>>Sandin
Ah the 4 mil in cap space makes up the difference, right .

Eichel is the better player and 10/10 teams take him over Chychrun. As a Leaf fan I would not offer the above trade for Chychrun and its highly unlikely that LV would offer the same deal to acquire Chychrun.
Chychrun is not a need for the leafs, but a nice to have and unless we are trade Muzzin this trade would also cost us Jack Campbell.

And the pick is not Buf's 1st but LV and is most likely = to the Leafs

 

[Bevans]

Eichel is the better player and 10/10 teams take him over Chychrun. As a Leaf fan I would not offer the above trade for Chychrun and its highly unlikely that LV would offer the same deal to acquire Chychrun.
Chychrun is not a need for the leafs, but a nice to have and unless we are trade Muzzin this trade would also cost us Jack Campbell.

And the pick is not Buf's 1st but LV and is most likely = to the Leafs

I recognize this thread is 64 pages long but the reason why Chychrun can potentially command as much or more than Eichel has been beaten to death

If you think a cap era trade is a simple as eichel is better than a younger, cheaper, not injured, high end defenceman then that will severely impact your ability to assess potential trades.

And for the record Robertson is not valuable. He's now an undersized reclamation project who cannot stay healthy.

 

[rt]

NHL Trade Deadline Big Board: John Klingberg, Jakob Chychrun and 28 others who could be dealt

NHL Trade Deadline Big Board: John Klingberg, Jakob Chychrun and 28 others who could be dealt

One executive suggested the Coyotes were looking for a Jack Eichel type package — a 2022 first-rounder, plus two potentially foundational young pieces, preferably with a first-round pedigree.

 

[29Potvin]

I recognize this thread is 64 pages long but the reason why Chychrun can potentially command as much or more than Eichel has been beaten to death

If you think a cap era trade is a simple as eichel is better than a younger, cheaper, not injured, high end defenceman then that will severely impact your ability to assess potential trades.

And for the record Robertson is not valuable. He's now an undersized reclamation project who cannot stay healthy.

Eichel is 18 months older than Chychrun and a proven #1 Center. What has Chychrun proven at this point that makes him any better than any other defender trade at his age?
best comparable would be Dougie Hamilton

Even if the Coyotes ask for the Eichel return they are far more likely to get the Dougie Hamilton trade value(Boston) than Eichel. And if you think that NHL GM's have changed the way they value young NHL D with potential in a cap world you would be wrong and that has been proven. They usually get traded in a hockey trade 1 for 1 or packaged see the Car/Cal trade for Hanifin.
Nothing in history would suggest the NHL teams would pay the Eichel value for a D

 

[Bevans]

Eichel is 18 months older than Chychrun and a proven #1 Center. What has Chychrun proven at this point that makes him any better than any other defender trade at his age?
best comparable would be Dougie Hamilton

Even if the Coyotes ask for the Eichel return they are far more likely to get the Dougie Hamilton trade value(Boston) than Eichel. And if you think that NHL GM's have changed the way they value young NHL D with potential in a cap world you would be wrong and that has been proven. They usually get traded in a hockey trade 1 for 1 or packaged see the Car/Cal trade for Hanifin.
Nothing in history would suggest the NHL teams would pay the Eichel value for a D

As I said. Conversation beaten to death. Take a look over my past posts if you want as I addressed you exact arguments, including Hamilton.

 

[rt]

Armstrong has a reputation for setting a price and not budging. It cost him dearly with OEL in his first off-season but worked very much in his favor with Dvorak and Kuemper. We shall see how the Chychrun situation plays out. Arizona has no reason to be in a hurry. So I expect the price will be met or the player will be kept.

Multiple insiders now seem to be agreeing on the asking price and there are anonymous execs supporting those claims. The price is a “young” roster player that’s worth a 1st (preferably a recent first, himself), a prospect that’s worth at least a 1st (preferably a recent 1st himself), and an actual 1st.

Of course, Arizona fans will say “Great! Clarke, Bjornfot and a 1st!”

While, of course, LA fans will say “Great! Vilardi, Kupari, and a 1st!”

So while we have somewhat of an understanding of the ask, at this point, we really don’t know what it means in terms of practical application.

 

[YP44]

Maatta is so shit..come on LA get it f***ing done

 

[YP44]

Armstrong has a reputation for setting a price and not budging. It cost him dearly with OEL in his first off-season but worked very much in his favor with Dvorak and Kuemper. We shall see how the Chychrun situation plays out. Arizona has no reason to be in a hurry. So I expect the price will be met or the player will be kept.

Multiple insiders now seem to be agreeing on the asking price and there are anonymous execs supporting those claims. The price is a “young” roster player that’s worth a 1st (preferably a recent first, himself), a prospect that’s worth at least a 1st (preferably a recent 1st himself), and an actual 1st.

Of course, Arizona fans will say “Great! Clarke, Bjornfot and a 1st!”

While, of course, LA fans will say “Great! Vilardi, Kupari, and a 1st!”

So while we have somewhat of an understanding of the ask, at this point, we really don’t know what it means in terms of practical application.

How about something in-between those two. Vilarid/Kupari, Bjornfot and a first.

Probably is not so much in between as it is closer to the LA side as Clarke is the deal maker there. If another D prospect is desired I would throw in Grans.

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

NHL Trade Deadline Big Board: John Klingberg, Jakob Chychrun and 28 others who could be dealt

NHL Trade Deadline Big Board: John Klingberg, Jakob Chychrun and 28 others who could be dealt

Sounds like it could be

STL 1st 2022, Neighbours, Perunovich/Kostin, and a pick and Scandella for cap.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Sounds like it could be

STL 1st 2022, Neighbours, Perunovich/Kostin, and a pick and Scandella for cap.

Get it done Army & Army! Please?

 

[Bobby9]

3 Way Trade?

Nucks:
Chych

NYR:
Miller at 50%

Yotes:
All the pieces that Miller would bring in?

I used NYR as an example.

 

[rt]

Sounds like it could be

STL 1st 2022, Neighbours, Perunovich/Kostin, and a pick and Scandella for cap.

I agree. I think Perunovich makes more sense than Kostin (even if I probably like Kostin more), due to Chychrun blocking Perunovich and then due to the big hole left by Chychrun on AZ’s blueline.

Problem is, Perunovich isn’t 1st round pedigree or first round value, I don’t think. And Scandella is probably a negative value asset. So I think it’s light one piece. I’m gonna say Hofer. Binnington is locked in long-term and Husso is playing really well. Hofer could be the piece that finally tips the scale to done deal.

I personally don’t love it. Neighbors is a winger, and not a 1st line winger. Perunovich strikes me as a future specialist, not a legit first pairing type. He’s also not much younger than Chychrun himself. Hofer is fine and all, but goalie prospects are all just crapshoots. And the STL first will be very late in the round.

But from a pure value perspective, it’s about as good as anyone could hope for. And there’s the Armstrong connection. So it seems like a fit.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

I’d offer:
Knies
Niemela (if a D prospect is needed, if not I’d include Robertson or any other F prospect)
2022 1st
Holl (cap)

Pretty much 3 mid/late 1sts for Chychrun

 

[bsu]

Pls Ducks

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

I agree. I think Perunovich makes more sense than Kostin (even if I probably like Kostin more), due to Chychrun blocking Perunovich and then due to the big hole left by Chychrun on AZ’s blueline.

Problem is, Perunovich isn’t 1st round pedigree or first round value, I don’t think. And Scandella is probably a negative value asset. So I think it’s light one piece. I’m gonna say Hofer. Binnington is locked in long-term and Husso is playing really well. Hofer could be the piece that finally tips the scale to done deal.

I personally don’t love it. Neighbors is a winger, and not a 1st line winger. Perunovich strikes me as a future specialist, not a legit first pairing type. He’s also not much younger than Chychrun himself. Hofer is fine and all, but goalie prospects are all just crapshoots. And the STL first will be very late in the round.

But from a pure value perspective, it’s about as good as anyone could hope for. And there’s the Armstrong connection. So it seems like a fit.

I completely agree. The only hang up from me is that Husso is likely playing himself out of job in St. Louis, and we need a cheap, quality backup. Wheeler has Bolduc ranked higher than Neighbours, and personally I would rather lose Bolduc. Perhaps that is how it would shake out? I'd ideally prefer Perunovich, Kostin, and Bolduc being the pieces moved out so that we can keep Neighbours and Hofer for our more immediate needs, but again, I agree that your package likely makes more sense from an AZ perspective. We may also ship out Scandella to another playoff team for a late pick in order to avoid paying AZ to take a useless (to AZ) asset.

 

[rt]

I completely agree. The only hang up from me is that Husso is likely playing himself out of job in St. Louis, and we need a cheap, quality backup. Wheeler has Bolduc ranked higher than Neighbours, and personally I would rather lose Bolduc. Perhaps that is how it would shake out? I'd ideally prefer Perunovich, Kostin, and Bolduc being the pieces moved out so that we can keep Neighbours and Hofer for our more immediate needs, but again, I agree that your package likely makes more sense from an AZ perspective. We may also ship out Scandella to another playoff team for a late pick in order to avoid paying AZ to take a useless (to AZ) asset.

I’ve watched a ton of Oil Kings games this season and a ton of Remparts games this season. I REALLY like Neighbors a lot. And I really don’t think much of Bolduc, honestly. I like Gaucher and Malatesta both more as prospects. Bolduc is a very vanilla, forgettable player to me. Never stands out. I’m not impressed.

 

[violaswallet]

I like Krebs and Tuch’s value much more than Robertson and Sandin’s, personally. However, thats just me.

I wanted Krebs when AZ traded up for Soderstrom at 11th overall. So I’m maybe higher on Krebs than most.

Also, Vegas included a 2nd, IIRC.

Tuch is worth more than a first clearly.

Everyone is going to nickel and dime the Coyotes after that post: our third round prospect is performing well…ergo worth a late first!

My guess is that there is going to be a few players/prospects that Arizona values more than other teams and that is the basis of the trade…kind of like the Levi for Reinhardt trade

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

I’ve watched a ton of Oil Kings games this season and a ton of Remparts games this season. I REALLY like Neighbors a lot. And I really don’t think much of Bolduc, honestly. I like Gaucher and Malatesta both more as prospects. Bolduc is a very vanilla, forgettable player to me. Never stands out. I’m not impressed.

I would agree. If you guys get Neighbours, you're getting a special player. Not a gamebreaking talent, but a solid contributor to both ends of the ice with great leadership. STL would obviously be getting the better player in Chychrun, but a package of Neighbours, Perunovich, Hofer, and a 1st would be solid value -- all three are fairly certain NHL players and all three have varying degrees of higher-end upside. All three are certain to be "impactful".