Line Combos: Coyle vs. Niederreiter
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ThatGuy22
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Is this criticism of Coyle really though? I always direct mine at Yeo. Coyle is just playing his game, its Yeo's fault that Nino gets worse minutes even though he out performs Coyle.
I think (as a Coyle defender) it's important to note that most people aren't panning Coyle the player rather the decision to use him in a top six role.
The only way this decision could possibly win in the court of HFWild is if Coyle significantly outperforms Nino. I say significantly because there is zero doubt in my mind that if they are within a few percentage points of each other with regards to points/TOI it'll be another year of "but if Nino was playing with (X) he'd score a bajillion goals".
I do believe Yeo's emphasis on keeping the lines flexible in his off season pressers means we'll see guys on different lines more often than we did last year and comparisons will be tough. My personal preference would be that Nino see easier matchups--whether that's on a line 1 that we no longer try to play against the other guys' main threats or line 3 that we try to over-power other teams' bottom six in skill.
The only way this decision could possibly win in the court of HFWild is if Coyle significantly outperforms Nino. I say significantly because there is zero doubt in my mind that if they are within a few percentage points of each other with regards to points/TOI it'll be another year of "but if Nino was playing with (X) he'd score a bajillion goals".
I do believe Yeo's emphasis on keeping the lines flexible in his off season pressers means we'll see guys on different lines more often than we did last year and comparisons will be tough. My personal preference would be that Nino see easier matchups--whether that's on a line 1 that we no longer try to play against the other guys' main threats or line 3 that we try to over-power other teams' bottom six in skill.
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Nino brings size, skill, and grit to the top 6. I really want him to get that time this year. He has 30ish goal potential written all over him. Coyle is looking more and more like a 20ish goal guy. That is still great, but as of now I think he is a perfect third liner with plenty of top 6 potential. I just think Nino has more potential and fits a top 6 role better.
On a line with Parise and Koivu, Nino will do some damage next year. Yeo won't have a choice given Nino's progression this upcoming season. I already see it coming. I hope Coyle continues to challenge him though. Healthy competition that I hope Nino wins by a thin margin.
On a line with Parise and Koivu, Nino will do some damage next year. Yeo won't have a choice given Nino's progression this upcoming season. I already see it coming. I hope Coyle continues to challenge him though. Healthy competition that I hope Nino wins by a thin margin.
My ultimate goal would to roll 3 lines.
Koivu
Granny
Haula
Fill in the forwards.
I have no problem with a Haula-Nino-Zucker? line. As long as they can get 16+ minutes and if Coyle, Koivu, Parise anyone is not looking good on the PP roll in Nino and Haula.
My problem this year will be when Yeo gets into a comfort zone that is not producing results.
I still voted Nino.
Koivu
Granny
Haula
Fill in the forwards.
I have no problem with a Haula-Nino-Zucker? line. As long as they can get 16+ minutes and if Coyle, Koivu, Parise anyone is not looking good on the PP roll in Nino and Haula.
My problem this year will be when Yeo gets into a comfort zone that is not producing results.
I still voted Nino.
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hard to guess what goes though a coaches mind deciding on which player when both have qualities. if coyle doesnt have a big year 20G pace i'd swap him with nino sooner than later. to quote another poster this is a managable problem to have.
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Fletcher and Niederreiter's agent are still negotiating on his next contract's term.
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It was interesting listening to Russo's interview with Yeo at the Fair. Yeo said that in last season in camp and up until he got hurt a couple games in, that Coyle may have been the best Wild player on the ice, and that jaws were dropping among the teammates and coaches.
Voted for Nino, but Cooke - Haula - Nino is more dangerous line than Cooke - Haula -Coyle. Does Nino bring THAT much more to Koivu's line than Coyle? I don't know.
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Regardless of how you feel about each player, it was an absolute shamockery that Coyle was gifted the PP minutes he was without production/cause/waiver.
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Honestly, I wouldn't be too upset if they decided to 'split' time. i.e. Nino player with Haula and Cooke, but gets 1 PP time. Coyle plays on the first line and gets some 2nd PP time.
No worries in his contract situation. They supposedly are in agreement on dollars, just figuring out which term would be best somewhere between a 2-4yr deal.
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I actually like Nino on the 3rd. I think he's way more dangerous off the rush than Coyle, and has the speed to keep close to Haula. That's important, because that's what Haula's line does. I also think Coyle fits better with Koivu: similar speed, similar style of game. My only problem with Coyle, like Koivu, is that he needs to shoot more. If they do that, they'll take great advantage of Vanek this year.
In the long run, I have no idea who should be in the top 6.
In the long run, I have no idea who should be in the top 6.
They both have their strengths and weaknesses, but as far as offensive potential goes, Nino's the winner. Coyle has been a favorite of Yeo's pretty much ever since he made the NHL. Niño is smarter and more creative, but his level of play fluctuates more than Coyle's.
