Following your logic, you can ban someone from walking and he'll still have his right to travel, cause he's free to crawl, just like he did as a todler.
OT: Covid-19 (Part 58) Valentine's Edition
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Flying is an essential method of transportation for international travel. If you're banned from flying, you're not really allowed to leave the country, which is part of section 6 of the Charter. Anyway we can argue about this all day, the mandates are being challenged in the courts.
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Broken record is a pretty flattering term here, all thing considered.
The utter lack of understanding under which jurisdiction you fall in once you leave Canada is quite something.
If you are not an US citizens you cannot board a flight bound to the US if you are not vaccinated. This is an American law, not a Canadian law.
If you are not an US citizens you cannot enter the US by land if you are not vaccinated. This is an American law, not a Canadian law.
As far as Canada is concerned you can take your sailboat and sail all the way to Panama, nobody cares!
Don't have a sailboat? That problem is yours, and yours alone.
That's f***ing rich when we have a convoy that traveled all the way across Canada for a camping trip in Ottawa.
You ARE free to travel within the country, if driving across the country is too inconvenient for you, then get vaccinated. If getting vaccinated is too inconvenient for you, then stay home until the pandemic is over.
Hey if unreasonable limits on your charter protected rights are the way you want to move forward as a country, by all means.
I still don't get why you bring up other countries' travel policies. Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada. In case it's not clear to you, I'm talking about canadian citizens' rights here. These rights do not extend across the border, so your rambling on about jurisdiction is useless. Again, in case you missed it, I'm talking about canadian citizens' rights. The ones in the Charter. Section 6. Not France, not Germany, Canada.
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Reason ?
If you have to travel 5K KM....reason would dictacte to simply get a vaccin like 97% of newborn baby does for every other virus out there.
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Love kills Covid. People will support the tyrannical government up until the day it impacts them.
The most idiotic RW take ever made Love kills covid lol
Non Player Canadiens
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bless these entrenched antis arguing til the bitter end in the face of withering public support :') can't wait til they fade back into the background where they belong
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You got to admit : the most badass looking police corps in Ottawa has been the SQ. They looked like a squadron (they are, about 200 of one bataillon, yes, a bataillon, I was told) of death in their gear. Ottavians have had their first close look at the squad that rocked the G20 and the 2012 student riots.
People who complain about “muh rights and freedoms” are intellectually immature.
Rights and freedoms are not unbound, every single one of them has their limits. What’s more is that countries need to balance individual rights vs collective rights. In a public health crisis, collective rights Trump individual rights to a certain extent.
This is the sacrifices you need to make when living in a society. Every nation has to balance this. There is not a single libertarian nation on the planet with unbound individual rights. It doesn’t exist. It’s very immature and naive to think that it does
I’m curious about how many of those whining about “muh freedoms” in this thread are pro language laws in Quebec because those also trample on individual rights. Language laws, like public safety and health laws decide that a certain aspect of collective rights and freedoms are more important that of individuals.
lastly about the protests.
1. The measures they dislike are mostly provincial, I don’t understand why Trudeau is the target
2. Canada had an election 6 months ago with measures on the ballot. Most Canadians voted for parties that support those measures.
3. The protestors had a not insignificant number wishing to oust the current democratically elected government
4. The protestors were receiving money from foreign actors invested in destabilizing Canada
5. A fragment of the protestor’s leaders suggested that they may have to resort to violence and to declare themselves sovereign citizens and make public arrests
6. The protestors took a city core hostage. They resulted in the shutdown of businesses. People who lived around the protests couldn’t sleep for days. That is not a protest, that is an occupation. When the students protested in Quebec, they didn’t squat for days in a single place. They protested between certain hours and then went home.
7. They harassed and intimidated reporters and locals.
Rights and freedoms are not unbound, every single one of them has their limits. What’s more is that countries need to balance individual rights vs collective rights. In a public health crisis, collective rights Trump individual rights to a certain extent.
This is the sacrifices you need to make when living in a society. Every nation has to balance this. There is not a single libertarian nation on the planet with unbound individual rights. It doesn’t exist. It’s very immature and naive to think that it does
I’m curious about how many of those whining about “muh freedoms” in this thread are pro language laws in Quebec because those also trample on individual rights. Language laws, like public safety and health laws decide that a certain aspect of collective rights and freedoms are more important that of individuals.
lastly about the protests.
1. The measures they dislike are mostly provincial, I don’t understand why Trudeau is the target
2. Canada had an election 6 months ago with measures on the ballot. Most Canadians voted for parties that support those measures.
3. The protestors had a not insignificant number wishing to oust the current democratically elected government
4. The protestors were receiving money from foreign actors invested in destabilizing Canada
5. A fragment of the protestor’s leaders suggested that they may have to resort to violence and to declare themselves sovereign citizens and make public arrests
6. The protestors took a city core hostage. They resulted in the shutdown of businesses. People who lived around the protests couldn’t sleep for days. That is not a protest, that is an occupation. When the students protested in Quebec, they didn’t squat for days in a single place. They protested between certain hours and then went home.
7. They harassed and intimidated reporters and locals.
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You do realize that some nations required vaccination to enter their countries even before COVID right?
Your point? You do understand that has nothing to do with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms?
Are you being deliberately dense? Serious question. If not, I am really concerned
You should read section 6, especially 6.3.
It's that part most people like you are either unaware of, ignore or deny because it explains why the measures don't actually violate the Chart.
My point is very clear in my post.
It explains why the measures are not actually violating section 6.
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The good news is that we were already moving on and are continuing to do so. I'm typing this from a breakfast restaurant, had a nice dinner at a restaurant last night, going to the gym later today. Other than January, life has been back to normal for me since last summer.
The passports are being phased out soon, a logical step based on the evolving info. At some point soon all restrictions will disappear because, in the end, neither citizens nor government want them. They're an administrative and fiscal nightmare. The only difference is that some can't see beyond their emotional suspicions that the measures are oppressive, meant to control them, etc. Of course, none of their predictions will come true. In the end, it will have been a lot of yelling and self-righteousness for absolutely nothing.
You keep talking about rights. Others point out that no actual rights have been violated. You then repeat the claim, as if saying it over and over makes it true.
Here's the straightforward reality: You remain free to do whatever you want. However, like everything in life, there's a limit to where you can do it.
Can't you read the 2nd sentence in the post you quoted?
Section 6 is not violated by the measures. I don't know what you don't understand there.
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