OT: Covid-19 (Part 44) Closer Together

[Milhouse40]

Hopefully, nothing major as I'm going on vacation in 2 days for 2 weeks.
Rented 2 cottages in Quebec.

I think you'll be fine.....but the last sentence is about getting the 2 doses.....and it came after NY announced their vaccine passport for some activities, so it's probably that.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

They can as long as they have papers showing they are fully vaccinated. Those who fraudulently try and get in using faked documents will get theirs trust me on that.

Sorry, I was talking specifically about the couple who lied about taking the vaccine. As far as I'm concerned they shouldn't be allowed to cross the border again.

Travelers who are fully vaccinated? Sure. No problem with that at all.

 

[beowulf]

Sorry, I was talking specifically about the couple who lied about taking the vaccine. As far as I'm concerned they shouldn't be allowed to cross the border again.

Travelers who are fully vaccinated? Sure. No problem with that at all.

It will happen, people try and fake any official document from passports to Visas to work or student permits. Some will try and fake vaccine records and since they aren't an official document with proper safety measures etc. some will get by.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

It will happen, people try and fake any official document from passports to Visas to work or student permits. Some will try and fake vaccine records and since they aren't an official document with proper safety measures etc. some will get by.

Sure, some will get by. No doubt about that.

But those that are caught should lose the privilege of coming to Canada.

 

[OnTheRun]

Sure, some will get by. No doubt about that.

But those that are caught should lose the privilege of coming to Canada.

If it was a criminal offense (not sure if it was?) they will have trouble get back in because of their criminal record in Canada.

 

[Treb]

"Trials of War Criminals before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals under Control Council Law
No. 10", Vol. 2, pp. 181-182. Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1949."

The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be
so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element
of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and
should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter
involved, as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision.


For the avoidance of all doubt, what you are advocating is in direct contravention of the Nurenberg Code. The Western powers executed people for forcing medications on people under duress.

If you're happy with that, then there really is no point engaging in any further debate on this thread.

And there it is. It always start with innocent stuff, you argue for a while and then they show you they are deep in the rabbit hole.

 

[waffledave]

And there it is. It always start with innocent stuff, you argue for a while and then they show you they are deep in the rabbit hole.

To be honest that was one of the most unhinged antivax posts I have seen on here. Got to think he's just joking around.

 

[beowulf]

Sure, some will get by. No doubt about that.

But those that are caught should lose the privilege of coming to Canada.

Actually the max is $750,000 fine and/or up to 6 months in jail!!

The docs have to be submitted online now. You can still try and come in without being vaccinated but you have to be honest about it and will still have to quarantine.

To be considered fully vaccinated, you must:

• be eligible to enter Canada
• have received the full series of an accepted COVID-19 vaccine or a combination of accepted vaccines
• have received your last dose at least 14 days prior to the day you enter Canada
  • Example: if your last dose was anytime on Thursday July 1st, then Friday July 16th would be the first day that you meet the 14 day condition
• upload your proof of vaccination in ArriveCAN

Accepted vaccines:

• Pfizer-BioNTech (Comirnaty, tozinameran, BNT162b2)
• Moderna (mRNA-1273)
• AstraZeneca/COVISHIELD (ChAdOx1-S, Vaxzevria, AZD1222)
• Janssen/Johnson & Johnson (Ad26.COV2.S)

Vaccines not currently accepted for fully vaccinated status in Canada:

• Bharat Biotech (Covaxin, BBV152 A, B, C)
• Cansino (Convidecia, Ad5-nCoV)
• Gamalaya (Sputnik V, Gam-Covid-Vac)
• Sinopharm (BBIBP-CorV, Sinopharm-Wuhan)
• Sinovac (CoronaVac, PiCoVacc)
• Vector Institute (EpiVacCorona)
• Other

The list of accepted vaccines may expand in the future.
If you received your vaccines outside Canada, it’s still accepted but proof of vaccination must be uploaded digitally in ArriveCAN and must only be in French or English, or certified translation into French or English.
Entry requirements for the fully vaccinated exemption

Fully vaccinated travellers must follow the entry requirements:

• Pre-entry test required
• Quarantine plan in case you don’t get the exemption
• Arrival test
• Requirements checklist

 

[Treb]

To be honest that was one of the most unhinged antivax posts I have seen on here. Got to think he's just joking around.

That just mean I'm doing my job with the worst one.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

And there it is. It always start with innocent stuff, you argue for a while and then they show you they are deep in the rabbit hole.

I couldn't believe it. I was just absolutely shocked by that.

How the hell did folks get to this point?

It's starts off as: I'm an expert in risk analysis... Okay, then shouldn't you factor in new variants into your risk model? And then it jumps to this craziness about Nuremberg.

It's just unbelievable. People have just stopped looking at facts and have decided to just go believe whatever they want to.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Actually the max is $750,000 fine and/or up to 6 months in jail!!

The docs have to be submitted online now. You can still try and come in without being vaccinated but you have to be honest about it and will still have to quarantine.

To be considered fully vaccinated, you must:

• be eligible to enter Canada
• have received the full series of an accepted COVID-19 vaccine or a combination of accepted vaccines
• have received your last dose at least 14 days prior to the day you enter Canada
  • Example: if your last dose was anytime on Thursday July 1st, then Friday July 16th would be the first day that you meet the 14 day condition
• upload your proof of vaccination in ArriveCAN

Accepted vaccines:

• Pfizer-BioNTech (Comirnaty, tozinameran, BNT162b2)
• Moderna (mRNA-1273)
• AstraZeneca/COVISHIELD (ChAdOx1-S, Vaxzevria, AZD1222)
• Janssen/Johnson & Johnson (Ad26.COV2.S)

Vaccines not currently accepted for fully vaccinated status in Canada:

• Bharat Biotech (Covaxin, BBV152 A, B, C)
• Cansino (Convidecia, Ad5-nCoV)
• Gamalaya (Sputnik V, Gam-Covid-Vac)
• Sinopharm (BBIBP-CorV, Sinopharm-Wuhan)
• Sinovac (CoronaVac, PiCoVacc)
• Vector Institute (EpiVacCorona)
• Other

The list of accepted vaccines may expand in the future.
If you received your vaccines outside Canada, it’s still accepted but proof of vaccination must be uploaded digitally in ArriveCAN and must only be in French or English, or certified translation into French or English.
Entry requirements for the fully vaccinated exemption

Fully vaccinated travellers must follow the entry requirements:

• Pre-entry test required
• Quarantine plan in case you don’t get the exemption
• Arrival test
• Requirements checklist

Not enough in my opinion. I'd be all for a lifetime ban. If you're deceitful enough to forge documents to get in here then I don't think you should be allowed in at all.