OT: Covid-19 (Part 31) Alone Again... (Warning post#787)

[Electricity]

Lol...I guess just tell your grandma to wear a mask and social distance. Problem solved, right!?

Not my grandma, apparently. Your grandma. Especially if she's a big fan of walmart and mcdonalds.

 

[Kriss E]

You want me to figure out how to control the virus? Lol
It's already been figured out brother. You've just been fighting it like crazy.

Check it.

Wear a mask, social distance, suck it up and come to grips with the fact that life is not what it used to be.

Life is not what it used to be. Deal with it, or own your selfishness.

We are getting a million daily cases worldwide, we figured it out you say? This is after most places had ''things under control and figured out''.
Yes, life isn't what it used to be, more on the Obvious News at 6.

You can namecall people as much as you want, they're not going anywhere and it advances discussions to nowhere.

 

[Kriss E]

you have my name quoted but I never said that. Lol

Well that's odd. Lol..all good.

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

You want me to figure out how to control the virus? Lol
It's already been figured out brother. You've just been fighting it like crazy.

Check it.

Wear a mask, social distance, suck it up and come to grips with the fact that life is not what it used to be.

Life is not what it used to be. Deal with it, or own your selfishness.

Are you marginal or something? If you can't understand the dillemma Kriss E's grandparents are facing you probably don't know much about human interactions.

You want to stay in your basement until there is absolutely zero risk? Seeing nobody until the virus is completely gone? Do it. But there are going to be consequences to that. Don't expect to reconnect your life where you left it when the pandemic first began. And it's that much more true for elderly people.

If it's their choice, this is not selfish. It's about spending the last years of you lives living for something.

They can die from COVID. They can also die from cancer, a heart attack or an accident. Spending months being careful about COVID only to end up missing precious moments with your grandchildren and dieing from something else would defeat the whole purpose to be cutting all those social interactions to begin with.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Are you marginal or something? If you can't understand the dillemma Kriss E's grandparents are facing you probably don't know much about human interactions.

You want to stay in your basement until there is absolutely zero risk? Seeing nobody until the virus is completely gone? Do it. But there are going to be consequences to that. Don't expect to reconnect your life where you left it when the pandemic first began. And it's that much more true for elderly people.

If it's their choice, this is not selfish. It's about spending the last years of you lives living for something.

I think he’s implying it’s selfish to put people in a position where they have to choose.

My parents would die for me so if I was out partying and being at risk they’d take the risk.

But knowing that they would and me still putting myself at risk to get it would say something about me wouldn’t it?

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

I think he’s implying it’s selfish to put people in a position where they have to choose.

My parents would die for me so if I was out partying and being at risk they’d take the risk.

But knowing that they would and me still putting myself at risk to get it would say something about me wouldn’t it?

That's not how I read it. He called his grandma selfish. I think he pretty clearly expressed his thoughts. Then again I might not be getting some subtility in what he wrote. But it seemed pretty clear to me.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

That's not how I read it. He called his grandma selfish. I think he pretty clearly expressed his thoughts. Then again I might not be getting some subtility in what he wrote. But it seemed pretty clear to me.

Perhaps you’re right and I’m looking at the more logical perspective and assuming he was a little too into his debate.

I concede what I think he said but my point still stands. People shouldn’t put others at risk.

 

[Kriss E]

I think he’s implying it’s selfish to put people in a position where they have to choose.

My parents would die for me so if I was out partying and being at risk they’d take the risk.

But knowing that they would and me still putting myself at risk to get it would say something about me wouldn’t it?

Why would it?
How's your choice suddenly more important than theirs? So you have to be responsible for other people's choice too now?
Your parents are grown ups, if they decide to see you then it's on them. Just like it's on you when you see someone else.
Being selfish is having the virus and not telling people, or being in contact with someone who had it but choosing not to get tested...
Seeing your kid or you seeing your folks is not selfish. We are human beings, physical interaction is just part of our nature.

 

[Treb]

South Korea: 51 millions
Canada: 38 millions

Current 7/day SK: 113
Current 7/day Canada: 3896

SK cases: 27553
Canada cases: 264113

SK deaths: 480
Canada deaths: 10522

Country hit earlier with a bigger population density hit dramatically less than us and still beating us easily.

Muh liberties (Montréal est pas une ville policière or some shit) and recklessness cost thousands of lives.

 

[Per Sjoblom]

Idiot Oregon judge refuses to wear mask in his courtroom calling it "nanny state"..

Hillsboro judge accused of ignoring Oregon mask mandate

Not only that, he refuses to work with certain attorney firms because he says he doesn't want to work with "cancel culture". He's a f****** public servant, not some dictator.

Time to start a petition to recall him, what a POS! Does that mean that a defendant can refuse to take part in a trial presided over by that judge?

 

[Per Sjoblom]

Cases have skyrocketed in BC in the last couple weeks after being one of the success stories for a long time relative to other populated Canadian provinces.

The last count I saw was 567 new cases. The rise is currently exponential.

Same here in Oregon, we have much more cases and deaths than we had in the spring.

 

[Roadhouse]

South Korea: 51 millions
Canada: 38 millions

Current 7/day SK: 113
Current 7/day Canada: 3896

SK cases: 27553
Canada cases: 264113

SK deaths: 480
Canada deaths: 10522

Country hit earlier with a bigger population density hit dramatically less than us and still beating us easily.

Muh liberties (Montréal est pas une ville policière or some shit) and recklessness cost thousands of lives.

It's pretty telling abour our own way of life and our societal priorities.

Just wearing a simple mask was / has been / continues to be a contentious issue here... over there, it was worn on Day 1 no?

Even a Commonwealth country like NZ found the meddle to impose a stay in place lockdown to fight the virus. They were the 'all', Sweden was the 'nothing'.

Grandmas in South Korea refrained from giving grandkids sloppy kisses for months on end. Here, in the name of mental health, we "make choices". It's completely half-assed and was doomed to fail from the start. This is a life event similar to past world wars in that we need to accept now that it will have a lasting scarring effect on some people, if not a lot of people.

Nope, individual gratification and feelings management won the war over preservation of human lives (strangers potentially infected). The full-on socialist approach to leading a country made for more effective virus control. I mean, what a surprise. And we're worried we may not be dating for another 6 months lol.

The virus' ability to mutate to the extent that it did is somewhat scary. To me it signifies there is a chance that, if developed countries refuse to lock it all down like NZ did and also refuse to long-term plan economic recovery at-large (resulting in massive currency devaluation - potentially), we could be living with COVID forever. The man preparing my pizza at Little Caesar's will always wear a face shield from here on out, schooling will never be the same etc etc etc etc.

 

[Milhouse40]

As I said, shut it all off or don't. Pick one. Legault said after declaring Mtl as a red zone area that we would have to see a steady decline with daily cases around 600 for a week before getting back in orange.
So their strategy to target the smaller industries to accomplish this was a massive failure.

Okay, so we close it all down, dropped the case around 600
Then open up again, cases starts climbing above 600......closed it all down again, rinse repeat.
Is that a better plan?

 

[tazsub3]

Finally some news that will change the course of the pandemic !

Pfizer, BioNTech say late-stage trial data shows Covid vaccine is more than 90% effective in preventing infection

 

[Milhouse40]

Apparently the pfizer vaccine is 90% effective (which would be a good news)
Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine: Early analysis shows it's 90% effective, company says - CNN

 

[Zam Boni]

Not only that, he refuses to work with certain attorney firms because he says he doesn't want to work with "cancel culture". He's a f****** public servant, not some dictator.

Isn't that cancel culture in a way?

 

[SOLR]

They can die from COVID. They can also die from cancer, a heart attack or an accident. Spending months being careful about COVID only to end up missing precious moments with your grandchildren and dieing from something else would defeat the whole purpose to be cutting all those social interactions to begin with.

I find strange this advocating for doing what the hell an old person wants because they are near the end of their life.

There is an obvious cost to that, and the issue is not with their lives in this case.

Everybody has to sacrifice some, to get some benefits. There is a collective part of this problem that can't be forgotten in these decisions. How many old people are dying right now in Vietnam? That number is zero, because they have maximized their collective actions (with some gusto for sure).

Let's say this virus is 50% collective responsibility and 50% personal responsibility. I understand the arguments for some personal risk-taking, in some situations, but it has always to be balanced with the collective well being.

A sick patient isn't an endpoint, it's an endpoint, a start point and a mutation point.

 

[SOLR]

The virus' ability to mutate to the extent that it did is somewhat scary. To me it signifies there is a chance that, if developed countries refuse to lock it all down like NZ did and also refuse to long-term plan economic recovery at-large (resulting in massive currency devaluation - potentially), we could be living with COVID forever. The man preparing my pizza at Little Caesar's will always wear a face shield from here on out, schooling will never be the same etc etc etc etc.

Even the most annoying respiratory virus doesn't survive more than 3-5 waves without losing a lot of their detrimental effects on societies. Mutations tend to make viruses less lethal and competition between viruses is a thing. Spanish Flu wasn't around for 10 years.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Apparently the pfizer vaccine is 90% effective (which would be a good news)
Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine: Early analysis shows it's 90% effective, company says - CNN

Listening to morning radio, they said Pfizer would like to have 50-million doses available by the end of the year. That is obviously best case scenario, so early 2021 (maybe around Spring?) could be somewhere where we can set our expectations.

 

[Milhouse40]

Listening to morning radio, they said Pfizer would like to have 50-million doses available by the end of the year. That is obviously best case scenario, so early 2021 (maybe around Spring?) could be somewhere where we can set our expectations.

There's still questions that need to be answers first.
Efficacity is one thing, safety is another.

And I can't overlook the timing of the announcement...we'll see.
Still a good news overall.

 

[SOLR]

Listening to morning radio, they said Pfizer would like to have 50-million doses available by the end of the year. That is obviously best case scenario, so early 2021 (maybe around Spring?) could be somewhere where we can set our expectations.

I expect the first vaccines to arrive in Canada around March and vaccination to be over by October if we do a good job. If they target well, we could have a normal summer of 2021 (from July). And by targeting well, I mean vaccinating the first line, exposed workers, and kids, to take schools off the infection map. Not the vulnerables. Vulnerables tend to also develop much less immunity. Also, make sure pro sports are immunized, we'll need them to at least play so that morale starts improving.

As a second round of vaccines, start selling them so that the owner class can feel safe and helps with building a new wave of businesses. The economic problems are right after the health issues.

 

[Hope Of Glory]

Great news to start the week. Still got to hold on a while longer but there's hope.

That's pretty much right on schedule right?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Great news to start the week. Still got to hold on a while longer but there's hope.

That's pretty much right on schedule right?

Pretty much... Back in early 2020, they said it would take a year or more.

 

[Electricity]

I find strange this advocating for doing what the hell an old person wants because they are near the end of their life.

There is an obvious cost to that, and the issue is not with their lives in this case.

Everybody has to sacrifice some, to get some benefits. There is a collective part of this problem that can't be forgotten in these decisions. How many old people are dying right now in Vietnam? That number is zero, because they have maximized their collective actions (with some gusto for sure).

Let's say this virus is 50% collective responsibility and 50% personal responsibility. I understand the arguments for some personal risk-taking, in some situations, but it has always to be balanced with the collective well being.

A sick patient isn't an endpoint, it's an endpoint, a start point and a mutation point.

Old people get to do whatever they want because precious moments.
Young people get to do whatever they want because yolo.
The rest get to do whatever they want because they HAVE to be around young and old people because family.

And nobody knows who's being killed because of our actions so what's the problem, right?

I know this may sound harsh to some people but if the shoe fits then wear it.

 

[Electricity]

There's still questions that need to be answers first.
Efficacity is one thing, safety is another.

And I can't overlook the timing of the announcement...we'll see.
Still a good news overall.

Yeah the timing is pretty gross but hopefully just a coincidence.
Here's to it working perfectly.