OT: Covid-19 (Part 25) Summertime

[ForeverHabs97]

This is a great cover of the original.

 

[Forum93]

Not the greatest idea to hold a large indoor rally with no social distancing at this time, actually, more like a really stupid idea. Maybe only a few people will die as a result, unfortunately it won't likely be any of the attendees.
Trump's Oklahoma rally can go ahead, court rules

 

[Dakota Sioux]

Not the greatest idea to hold a large indoor rally with no social distancing at this time, actually, more like a really stupid idea. Maybe only a few people will die as a result, unfortunately it won't likely be any of the attendees.
Trump's Oklahoma rally can go ahead, court rules

I agree. Really dumb to do and I lean to the right

 

[Edgy]

You argue with me, because you think a cop should be able to stop his shooting motion with almost no delay. I show you that you are asking too much from them with an article and a study, then you shift to "he should not have been shot"...

Have a good night.

That is when proper training comes in, improving your judgement call. The cop didn't try to deescalate the situation, which he could have easily done during that 45minute span of him trying to get a sleeping drunk man to admit he's drunk, take a breathalyzer test so he could charge him with a DUI.

He also allowed a drunk man to steal his taser, which is another example of lack of experience and proper training. You can't tell how someone drunk will react or what they'll do, which is why you're supposed to keep a safe distance and be on the lookout for any sudden movements.

The taser is there as a non-lethal option, regardless of how you want to classify it or how Georgia statures classify it. That is why it is carried along a gun and it is supposed to be used first to subdue someone, because it will allow you to incapacitate them and arrest them without having to kill them. Otherwise, cops would be armed with AK47s just in case a gun wasn't deadly enough.

Sticking to your guns over semantics and citing Georgia law is a ridiculous crutch. You're using it as an excuse to defend your stance when it defies logic.

Even if the cop would have been hit by the taser and actually gotten tased, he wouldn't have died from it, he had a partner with him that could have dealt with the drunk man. It was poor exercise of judgement and uncalled for, because he knew full well he wouldn't die from getting hit by a taser and had no reason to fear for his life and resort to deadly force.

Stop being eristic.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Jesus Christ! Man oh man this is outrageous! f***ing police are doing their best to destroy whatever shred of credibility they had left! This reeks of corruption and hopefully there is hell to pay for this coverup! 22 innocent people lost their lives and it might have been the cops all along that did it! God Damn you 2020, is this the year the world ends?

From what i can gather, if he really was an agent or informant, what he did, didnt seem random. RCMP said he targeted his victims, knew some of them, but not all of them. Yeah, indeed it smells fishy.

 

[Forum93]

I agree. Really dumb to do and I lean to the right

Yea, not now when Oklahoma's cases are surging, the lack of common sense is ridiculous.

 

[cphabs]

Is there one major port in the world that doesn't have ties to the underworld?

Little Creek VA for starters...

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Little Creek VA for starters...

It's a major port?

 

[cphabs]

It's a major port?

Commercial? No. But a major port.

 

[cphabs]

Haven’t seen Dave this morning. He ok?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Commercial? No. But a major port.

Don't know what the mafia would be doing in a non-commercial port?

 

[cphabs]

Don't know what the mafia would be doing in a non-commercial port?

Just saying it’s one without a criminal element. I agree in any case.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I don't want to tread the line of politics too much here.. but like our government or hate our government, they took this seriously from the get-go and while it has been dicey in QC/ON at times, what we've managed to do is pretty great compared to what is going on in places like USA/Brazil where they fought science tooth and nail, down-played the significance.

So Conservative, Green, Liberal or NDP.. I think we can all agree that we should be thankful, at minimum, that our governments across the country stepped up and did reasonably well. Were there growing pains and huge misses? Absolutely. But we have managed, so far, to avoid major major catastrophe like some other countries.

 

[ahmedou]

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

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Where's 2000?

That was actually a real scare for the economy, but the good work was done just in time.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

My point was always that the first shot should have never been taken in the first place. There was no shift in my point. You reply with an article about policemen firing excessive (not the same as unneeded) shots as a justification.

Anyway, enjoy your world, I'll live in mine.

You said this previously, you have the answer in this quote.

They did not shoot at the same moment. During that 1 second between the taser discharge and the first shot, the cop had plenty of time to not pull the trigger. Especially when Brooks had his back turned.
If 1 second can be considered a late hit in hockey, it sure is even more late for shooting a gun.

You have a part about reaction time in the first article and the second one talks almost exclusively about it.

Reasonableness and Reaction Time in Police Use of Force Incidents

"In a complex environment such as our scenario, the officer’s response time can range from .7 to 1.5 seconds.(2) During that time the suspect may be moving. In the time it takes the officer to complete the response (from identification of the stimulus to the physical sequence), the suspect may end up in a completely different location or facing a different direction. Then we must add more time for the same process to occur in reverse—meaning it will also take time for the officer to perceive the movement of the person and respond. This process is why some suspects are shot in the back."

 

[peate]

This is a great cover of the original.

Pure Telecaster sound.

 

[MXD]

...I've been having an otitis for nearly 3 months. WTF.

 

[OldCraig71]

From what i can gather, if he really was an agent or informant, what he did, didnt seem random. RCMP said he targeted his victims, knew some of them, but not all of them. Yeah, indeed it smells fishy.

Well, according to some of the reports/rumors around here, there were many complaints voiced to the RCMP about Wortman from neighbors and the cops did nothing. His closest neighbors were forced to sell their property and move because he abused/threatened them on multiple occasions, they have come forward with this info since the murders. There are many rumors with similar accounts of people trying to deal with the abuse with no intervention from the RCMP despite many attempts to have something done about him. It all adds up now, he was linked to the Hells angels and a Mexican cartel as an undercover informant, he was working for NB and NS RCMP, it seems like they were protecting one of their own yet again. On a good note, his girlfriend has decided to have his assets sold off and the proceeds donated to charity.

 

[cphabs]

So now it's 11 players
11 NHLers test positive in Phase 2 testing - TSN.ca

We just might win the cup!

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Well, according to some of the reports/rumors around here, there were many complaints voiced to the RCMP about Wortman from neighbors and the cops did nothing. His closest neighbors were forced to sell their property and move because he abused/threatened them on multiple occasions, they have come forward with this info since the murders. There are many rumors with similar accounts of people trying to deal with the abuse with no intervention from the RCMP despite many attempts to have something done about him. It all adds up now, he was linked to the Hells angels and a Mexican cartel as an undercover informant, he was working for NB and NS RCMP, it seems like they were protecting one of their own yet again. On a good note, his girlfriend has decided to have his assets sold off and the proceeds donated to charity.

Undercover informants normally just don't go killing 22 people in a spree.

Simply gone mad or is this something deeper? Patsy? Hitman? Caught in the middle of something bigger?

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

That is when proper training comes in, improving your judgement call. The cop didn't try to deescalate the situation, which he could have easily done during that 45minute span of him trying to get a sleeping drunk man to admit he's drunk, take a breathalyzer test so he could charge him with a DUI.

The cops responded to a call, because Brooks would not move from Wendy's parking lot, once they are at the place, they need to investigate and understand the situation. They bang on the window, but the guy is not responding, is he dead ? Sleeping ? Ill ? Drunk ? The cops were super cordial with him and the suspect was chill too, until they tried to handcuff him.

The investigation is part of their job, once they suspect that you are drunk, they need to follow the procedure like they did.

He also allowed a drunk man to steal his taser, which is another example of lack of experience and proper training. You can't tell how someone drunk will react or what they'll do, which is why you're supposed to keep a safe distance and be on the lookout for any sudden movements.

How do you handcuff someone by keeping a safe distance ? I'm all for better training, but when the suspect is resisting, it can be really hard control him, sometimes you have 3-4 cops struggling with one suspect, it's actually pretty common.

The taser is there as a non-lethal option, regardless of how you want to classify it or how Georgia statures classify it. That is why it is carried along a gun and it is supposed to be used first to subdue someone, because it will allow you to incapacitate them and arrest them without having to kill them. Otherwise, cops would be armed with AK47s just in case a gun wasn't deadly enough. Sticking to your guns over semantics and citing Georgia law is a ridiculous crutch. You're using it as an excuse to defend your stance when it defies logic.

The taser-gun can be lethal and that's the reason it's classified as a firearm in Georgia. It's not a non-lethal arm, it's only less deadly than a gun, it does not mean the same thing. It's carried because it's less deadly than a gun. They used the taser gun on him, but it did not work.


They are trained to always be a level above the person they are trying to arrest, as per this ex-officer. When he used the taser gun (a deadly weapon) one cop immediately responded by using his gun.

Even if the cop would have been hit by the taser and actually gotten tased, he wouldn't have died from it, he had a partner with him that could have dealt with the drunk man. It was poor exercise of judgement and uncalled for, because he knew full well he wouldn't die from getting hit by a taser and had no reason to fear for his life and resort to deadly force.

Stop being eristic.

The same partner who stayed behind and said that he was consussed, because of the punches he received from the criminal ? Think about it from the police officer perspective.

Again, you can die from a taser stunt, you can get incapacitated. You don't want that to happen when you let your partner behind you, you have a split second to react and against a guy who is clearly stronger than you, because previously he was able to handle you and your partner.

You presume that the cop was not in danger and he did not have to fear for his life as if you can read his mind.

 

[CHfan1]

The cops responded to a call, because Brooks would not move from Wendy's parking lot, once they are at the place, they need to investigate and understand the situation. They bang on the window, but the guy is not responding, is he dead ? Sleeping ? Ill ? Drunk ? The cops were super cordial with him and the suspect was chill too, until they tried to handcuff him.

The investigation is part of their job, once they suspect that you are drunk, they need to follow the procedure like they did.



How do you handcuff someone by keeping a safe distance ? I'm all for better training, but when the suspect is resisting, it can be really hard control him, sometimes you have 3-4 cops struggling with one suspect, it's actually pretty common.



The taser-gun can be lethal and that's the reason it's classified as a firearm in Georgia. It's not a non-lethal arm, it's only less deadly than a gun, it does not mean the same thing. It's carried because it's less deadly than a gun. They used the taser gun on him, but it did not work.


They are trained to always be a level above the person they are trying to arrest, as per this ex-officer. When he used the taser gun (a deadly weapon) one cop immediately responded by using his gun.




The same partner who stayed behind and said that he was consussed, because of the punches he received from the criminal ? Think about it from the police officer perspective.

Again, you can die from a taser stunt, you can get incapacitated. You don't want that to happen when you let your partner behind you, you have a split second to react and against a guy who is clearly stronger than you, because previously he was able to handle you and your partner.

You presume that the cop was not in danger and he did not have to fear for his life as if you can read his mind.

The taser presented no danger to him though. And he was running away from the cop. If he thought he was in danger he just had to stop pursuing him. The shooting was unjustified and he is rightly facing charges.

The cop also shot a nearby car with passengers in it.

The Atlanta policy says you cannot fire a Taser at someone who is running away. So you certainly can't fire a handgun at someone who is running away," Howard said.

Howard said that at the time Rolfe aimed and fired at Brooks' back from 18 feet, 3 inches away, "Rolfe was aware that the Taser in Brooks' possession was fired twice and presented no danger to him."

Atlanta police use-of-force policy violated multiple times in fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks: Prosecutor

 

[OldCraig71]

Undercover informants normally just don't go killing 22 people in a spree.

Simply gone mad or is this something deeper? Patsy? Hitman? Caught in the middle of something bigger?

Might have known that a target was on his back and decided to go out in a blaze of demented glory, who knows? Hopefully, things become clearer in the future and the mourning families can get some closure from this horrible situation.

 

[ahmedou]