So Hong Kong went into another lockdown…..and they have less than 1064 cases overall….and you keep using Hong Kong as an example to follow and you don't see the problem here. We are adding more cases every 2 days but advocating everything is fine and we're doing the right thing.
But i'm not advocating to stay lockdown. I'm advocating to be smarter while opening up.
Nobody is suggesting everything is fine. There are multiple realities we need to address and staying locked in is simply no longer a realistic plan. It was never a sustainable plan, it was never about getting cases below a certain mark, it was put in place to flatten the curve and not completely overwhelm our health care facilities. This has been achieved, so time to move to the next step.
Government should make mask mandatory for everyone and until they are ready to do that, we're not ready to open safely unless people do it on their own and i mean 100% of the people….like in Hong Kong. They should have make it mandatory 8 weeks ago.
How masks helped Hong Kong control the coronavirus
https://www.vox.com/2020/5/18/21262273/coronavirus-hong-kong-masks-deaths-new-york
They should, I've been saying it from the first day, but they won't because of sociopolitical issues so you can forget about this. Best thing to do is encourage all of our surroundings to wear some.
Fearing another lockdown or fearing another great depression is the same thing cause another lockdown will probably brought the great depression you fear. You don't want to risk getting there but another lockdown will actually probably get you there.....and we're not Hong Kong, it won't only be another two weeks....we can't even dropped our numbers of cases after 8 weeks of lockdown and it won't be any different if we do the same thing again unless we go into a full real lockdown which again will results in another blow to the economy.
No not exactly. If we keep things shut, we are certainly going to head into a great depression. Some experts believe we are already there. It's important to get people back to work and spending more.
So..keep things shut...guaranteed another great depression, if not worse.
Open things up, ya, probably will see an increase in cases and perhaps even some roll back of certain businesses, but it won't necessarily require a full on lockdown again. You just don't know this, unlike the certainty of the economy going completely in the crapper if we don't open.
So ya, there is a big difference.
I agree with you on the basics that we absolutely need to open up for the economy to roll cause without it, our healthcare system will collapse anyway (cause it still cost a shitload of money). But i won't hide my head in the sands saying everything is all right while it's not.
Like you, i want to go back to work, i want to see my friends and family and i want to go back spending an hour or two here shitting on Bergevin's head instead of talking about this shit but i want to stay that way.
Nobody is saying everything is alright. People are just willing to risk living with the virus while being cautious and with measures in place instead of remaining enclosed at home any longer and risking a complete economical collapse.
Remaining closed is simply not an option anymore.
I also agree that there's no book on this….but we have example to follow and we're not doing it.
It's all about finding a delicate balance between health protection, the prevention of economic and social risks.
We are though. You just want more strict measures. They are strongly advising people to wear masks, you and I both would rather they made it mandatory, but at least they're showing up at their pressers and making it a point to constantly repeat the use of masks. The Federal government is doing the same.
There is a distancing to keep apart. Limited store capacities are put in place along with along with disinfectant.
I went to shop at Levi's and Sports Experts in Saint Sauveur. They ask you what you're shopping for at the store entrance while you wash your hands. They assign you a clerk who helps and serves you, at Levi's you're not even allowed to touch the clothes. There's also plexiglass at the counter. They don't accept cash and disinfect the ATM terminal after every use.
Businesses are coming up with strategies to operate safely. It's in their best interest to do so anyways as it's a great marketing strategy to show how important the safety of customers is a priority.
So yes, things are not operating as if nothing happened and it's way way way safer to be out now than it was in March.
Honestly, they would make the masks mandatory and i think it could make a world of difference.
I would also put a limit the number of people in stores and it wouldn't be to the businesses themselves.
I would also put a very agressive testing, tracing and isolation system in place.
But just the mask….i would be all right.
I mean, they're pretty much doing that already man as I mentioned above. Businesses are not reopening as if nothing happened.
Just for example....last week or two weeks ago, a daycare had a case but was only inform 4 days later.
That doesn't work, that's not a viable way to go. They reopen schools and the teachers had to beg the government to have
some PPE, it's stupid. Look what kids going to schools look like in Taiwan.
They have a plan in place, they have strong measures in place and it's working.
Here....we don't have a single freaking clue. No masks, no temperature check, no plan in place if they had positive case.
One positive test in Gaspé, they closed the school and started testing the close contact
One positive test in Chicoutimi, no closing but people around will be tested and are asked to self-isolate
Two positive in Trois-rivieres, no closing, no one will be tested or isolated unless they showed symptoms
That's yesterday.
3 incidents of positive coronavirus in our schools, 3 different responses.
We must be smarter than that and we must ask our government to be smarter and have plans in place for every situation.
As I said, there's no book on this. It will be a trial and error situation and more cases are surely to pop up. I'm fine with this so long as they learn.
