Coronavirus XV: Keep Up the Good Work (no off-topic discussions)

[Bryanbryoil]

I literally said no system is perfect, so I am not expecting perfection.

What I do expect is for a system to at least weed out most cop-aspiring characters who exhibit white supremacist/racist behaviours. One in-depth check/vetting before hiring, maybe one annual check/vetting once hired as well.

This particular guy in the Floyd case has pics of him wearing a cap with white supremacist messaging on it.

I'm talking specifically about racist behaviour here. Not just being power hungry or douchebaggey.

What did it say? If this is the case that is enough for him to have been fired IMO.

Police Officers should be looked at as peacemakers and people to look u to and rely on when the shit hist the fan regardless of a persons race, beliefs, etc.

This is how children of all races should be able to look at the police instead of fearing that theyll kill their uncle, dad or grandfather simply because of the color of their skin.

 

[Cloned]

What did it say? If this is the case that is enough for him to have been fired IMO.

Actually, I'm just doing some more research on it and it looks like that may have been recently debunked (as in fake).

There is this however:

https://nypost.com/2020/05/28/cop-in-george-floyds-death-was-the-subject-of-10-complaints/

 

[Cloned]

And also this:

George Floyd, Derek Chauvin Worked Security At Same Minneapolis Nightclub

Which also details some apparent racist tendencies.

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Also apparently some 27 year old lady is charged with attempted murder of 4 cops after she threw a Molotov cocktail at them from a van during the protests in NY yesterday. What a way to throw away the rest of your life doing something stupid like that.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Covid is having a field day this weekend. Hoo boy. Stay home!

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Covid is having a field day this weekend. Hoo boy. Stay home!

I’m in Edmonton
No it’s not

 

[BlueCheeseWithWings]

The next wave could potentially be huge in the US because of the civil unrest.

This has turned into black vs white, when it should be us vs them. The narrative is disappointing.

 

[fancy dan]

killer mike is a stud.

 

[BlueCheeseWithWings]

Has anyone else viewed the videos/photos of the umbrella-holding, mask-wearing, all-black clothing guy who broke the windows of an Auto Zone location?

In Dallas, a pallet full of bricks was dropped off in the area of the protests.

There is nothing organic about the unrest.

 

[Skar]

Actually you're wrong. If it was so easy to improve, it would be, improved. What the nature of police are like after over a century of tribunal of what they are like (or as long as police and forces have existed and been scrutinized intently) means that what we've reached is a fairly natural homeostatic state of affairs in policing.

Unless you're talking just idealistically in fantasy land. I've carefully delineated in these posts what the occupation is like, who accepts it, who doesn't, who stays, who walks, and what is left. ANY police force is a reflection of how that society is doing and why anybody would even remotely still want to be a cop.

hey, you work in health profession. Every year theres some doc going up against a tribunal because he took advantage and groped and molested some patients. Every year theres some doc going up because he improperly prescribed or overprescribed or conjointly prescribed potentially lethal medication. Every years theres malpractice suits. Every year theres cases of stuff left in patients after operations.

you want that all perfect and not to exist right? So does everybody. But every profession is loaded with some individuals that don't practice the right way. But zero tolerance for such never exists, never works, and if it ever did shit would stop happening.

Put any human in positions of responsibility and the problems pile up Some much worse than others. looked at on a grand scale some heinous actions occur. In ANY system. Stare at that part of the system long enough and you think every part of it screwed. For instance Nursing homes. Does the state of these undermine the view of all of Healthcare services. maybe so. Do people go to your place of work and try to burn it down, throw rocks, threaten violence?

So it kind of bothers me when someone like Obama condescendingly weighs in saying "I can't believe this is still the NORMAL in 2020" Which is an irresponsible thing for him to be saying.

Because it isn't normal, it isn't even usual, 700k police went to work last week and one killed somebody. An awful situation. But to coin that its the "normal"?! That is just grand standing. How does one event define what normal is in 2020? Or even 3 events.

Doctors, lawyers, and other health care professionals are required to purchase professional liability insurance. Make police officers purchase their own malpractice insurance, and it will save tax payers from footing the bill for bad policing. We could even reimburse the police with clean records. The actual good cops won't be affected, and the bad ones will have to face their own consequences.

The police absolutely have a difficult job, but so do firefighters, paramedics, health care professionals, etc. Any system can be improved. The police system has been improved in the past, and should continue to be improved. Increase training requirements and specifically the amount of de-escalation training. There are a lot of videos out there where an officer will come up to someone with guns drawn for a minor traffic violation. Even in some of these current riots there are videos of peaceful protestors getting tear gassed. It is much easier for an anarchist or some other dickhead to rile the crowd up after they've been gassed for protesting peacefully.

Another example of improving the system could be yearly fitness tests. There should be no officers on duty who are morbidly obese, and unable to perform their duties effectively.

 

[Senor Catface]

Doctors, lawyers, and other health care professionals are required to purchase professional liability insurance. Make police officers purchase their own malpractice insurance, and it will save tax payers from footing the bill for bad policing. We could even reimburse the police with clean records. The actual good cops won't be affected, and the bad ones will have to face their own consequences.

The police absolutely have a difficult job, but so do firefighters, paramedics, health care professionals, etc. Any system can be improved. The police system has been improved in the past, and should continue to be improved. Increase training requirements and specifically the amount of de-escalation training. There are a lot of videos out there where an officer will come up to someone with guns drawn for a minor traffic violation. Even in some of these current riots there are videos of peaceful protestors getting tear gassed. It is much easier for an anarchist or some other dickhead to rile the crowd up after they've been gassed for protesting peacefully.

Another example of improving the system could be yearly fitness tests. There should be no officers on duty who are morbidly obese, and unable to perform their duties effectively.

I keep seeing videos like this pop up.

One video where a group of protesters are standing there, letting police SUVs go by, and as the last SUV passes, an officer in the last SUV pepper sprays the entire group from the window. The group that's just standing there, not doing anything. It's insane.

 

[Cloned]

I keep seeing videos like this pop up.

One video where a group of protesters are standing there, letting police SUVs go by, and as the last SUV passes, an officer in the last SUV pepper sprays the entire group from the window. The group that's just standing there, not doing anything. It's insane.

The problem right now is you have bad apples in both the police forces and the protestors, and they're feeding off of each other's violent behaviour.

 

[Senor Catface]

The problem right now is you have bad apples in both the police forces and the protestors, and they're feeding off of each other's violent behaviour.

Indeed, agree with that.

But stuff like this can turn protestors into rioters.

 

[Cloned]

Indeed, agree with that.

But stuff like this can turn protestors into rioters.

At this rate I expect to hear news about nuclear war between two countries by the middle of next week and the end of human civilization by the end of June.

Time to stock up on toilet paper (again).

 

[Skar]

And a positive one here.

 

[Skar]

Anyways, now that the Alberta government is allowing for anyone that wants a test to get tested, anyone in line to get their brain tickled?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Indeed, agree with that.

But stuff like this can turn protestors into rioters.

Honest question, how many times do they have to tell people to get inside when there is a curfew before doing what they did to get the point across? The police are on edge and have both lethal and non lethal rounds so when they are coming in waves like that unless you want it to be your last stand and go out in a blaze of gunfire use your brain and get your ass in the house.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Getting crowded like that and having things thrown at you like that would not be a fun situation. A crowd like that could easily flip a car over and then kill the driver.

 

[Nostradumbass]

Honest question, how many times do they have to tell people to get inside when there is a curfew before doing what they did to get the point across? The police are on edge and have both lethal and non lethal rounds so when they are coming in waves like that unless you want it to be your last stand and go out in a blaze of gunfire use your brain and get your ass in the house.

That looks like a police state that is truly restricting peoples’ freedom. Absolutely insane that people here are “muh freedoms” when locked down for COVID, but people are being held in their homes at gunpoint in “the land of the free.”

 

[Bryanbryoil]

That looks like a police state that is truly restricting peoples’ freedom. Absolutely insane that this is USA 2020 and not Germany 1937.

So whats the alternative? Let looters and rioters destroy entire cities and stand idly by? They have to take control of the situation and it starts with people listening to them to stay out of harms way. Why would the police sweep that particular area other than there being reports of riots or looting?

 

[Cloned]

Getting crowded like that and having things thrown at you like that would not be a fun situation. A crowd like that could easily flip a car over and then kill the driver.

People need to realize it's give and take. Yes, you have the right to peaceful assembly and protesting. At the same time, you can't just ignore curfews and go around destroying property.

As for the police car, maybe take a different route instead of trying to make a point in a bad way. Or at least give the people a minute to back off before going through the intersection.

 

[Nostradumbass]

So whats the alternative? Let looters and rioters destroy entire cities and stand idly by? They have to take control of the situation and it starts with people listening to them to stay out of harms way.

You don’t open fire at people chilling on their porch. That’s absolutely batshit crazy.
St. Paul Mayor: Everyone Arrested Last Night In His City From Out Of State
Minnesota Officials Link Arrested Looters to White Supremacist Groups
Far-Right Extremists Are Hoping to Turn the George Floyd Protests Into a New Civil War
Minnesota governor mobilises National Guard and suggests protests are being manipulated by 'domestic terrorists'

 

[Cloned]

You don’t open fire at people chilling on their porch. That’s absolutely batshit crazy.
St. Paul Mayor: Everyone Arrested Last Night In His City From Out Of State
Minnesota Officials Link Arrested Looters to White Supremacist Groups
Far-Right Extremists Are Hoping to Turn the George Floyd Protests Into a New Civil War
Minnesota governor mobilises National Guard and suggests protests are being manipulated by 'domestic terrorists'

To be fair, the hope was that most Minnesotans would follow the curfew and it would leave the "outside agitators" exposed to be arrested.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

You don’t open fire at people chilling on their porch. That’s absolutely batshit crazy.
St. Paul Mayor: Everyone Arrested Last Night In His City From Out Of State
Minnesota Officials Link Arrested Looters to White Supremacist Groups
Far-Right Extremists Are Hoping to Turn the George Floyd Protests Into a New Civil War
Minnesota governor mobilises National Guard and suggests protests are being manipulated by 'domestic terrorists'

IMO get the f*** inside means get the f*** inside. They couldve been looking through their window or door safely. 1 simple order during chaos and its too much to ask for? There may have been reports of rioters with guns for all we know.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

To be fair, the hope was that most Minnesotans would follow the curfew and it would leave the "outside agitators" exposed to be arrested.

If people are coming from out of state to fan the flames they should be dealt with whether they are left or right on the political scale.

 

[Senor Catface]

Honest question, how many times do they have to tell people to get inside when there is a curfew before doing what they did to get the point across? The police are on edge and have both lethal and non lethal rounds so when they are coming in waves like that unless you want it to be your last stand and go out in a blaze of gunfire use your brain and get your ass in the house.

They're on their own property, not walking the streets, and they're clearly at the edge of their door considering how fast they get into their house after they fired on.

I doesn't matter how on-edge police are. It's their job to differentiate levels of threat and they can't be firing at people, rubber bullets or whatever, who are standing in their doorways. You can't justify that sort of power abuse.