Coronavirus effects

[OHLTG]

It feels like there needs to be a balance between financial loss and loss of life. The effects will be crushing, regardless, but if the Canadian and provincial Gov'ts can step in and help the smaller businesses, plus those who need payment breaks, then that's a huge step.

 

[OMG67]

It feels like there needs to be a balance between financial loss and loss of life. The effects will be crushing, regardless, but if the Canadian and provincial Gov'ts can step in and help the smaller businesses, plus those who need payment breaks, then that's a huge step.

The monthly rent in Ottawa for a big box store type restaurant like East Side Marios is upwards of $30k per month. That franchisee still needs to pay that while closed. The Gov't is not going ti underwrite that loss.

With 5% profit margin, it will take that franchisee $600,000 in sales to make up that loss. Keep in mind, a 5% margin is considered outstanding. So, a one month closure will take close to a year to make up that loss.

Project that onto a small business and this could become devastating.

From a CHL perspective, there are teams that require two playoff games to break even every year. Those teams will struggle being able to afford scholarship offers next season etc.

 

[OMG67]

It feels like there needs to be a balance between financial loss and loss of life. The effects will be crushing, regardless, but if the Canadian and provincial Gov'ts can step in and help the smaller businesses, plus those who need payment breaks, then that's a huge step.

The reality is this already happens.

For example, there is a 3+ month waiting list for medical specialists of varying types. Some would suggest it is because there are only so many doctors available. True. Howevern it also has to do with how many cases the Ministry of Health in Ontario will pay for. A Doctor may have demand for 3000 cases per year but the Ministry will only pay for 2000 cases. That doctor then has the choice of supplying the care for all 3000 patients while not being compensated for 1000 of them or simply providing care for the 2000 they are compensated for.

Hospitals, in general terms, operate the same way for elective surgeries. You may have a torn ACL that requires surgery. You are on an 18 month waiting list to receive your surgery. This isn't because the surgeons can't do it. It is because the province will only fund a certain number of those per year.

Financial decisions with respect to health care are made all the time. We just don't realize how prevalent that actually is.

 

[Section7fan]

I have family that works in Ontario Parks and they are set to start work in Mid April. Imagine if this lasted months and parks didn’t open. They’ve been off work since November and if parks don’t open they won’t have work until next April. There’s going to be a large number of people without jobs because of this and who’s going to be hiring when there’s no money to open doors? Now expand this to all the people that live off the summer tourism season. Then think about all the cuts to services and tax hikes to pay for the 100+ billion deficit the government is racking up. I’m sorry but this needs to be talked about just as much as the mortality rate.

 

[AttackSound]

According to Owen Sound media man Fred Wallace (link below) OHL governors to have a teleconference to determine further steps in the ever growing Covid-19 situation, as well as decisions to be made moving forward into the uncertainty of what the final result of the season and what remains and into next season as well.

Nothing official has been announced yet by the league on what the other points of discussion will be but it wouldn't be too far of a stretch to see what they will do next in regaurds to the priority selection and other OHL/CHL events such as playoffs etc. at this point point.

 

[OMG67]

This is a no win situation regardless of which side of the arguement you choose to support. Obviously there is somewhere in the middle that is probably a right decision; however, like any health care related issue, any decision that someone can say,"how can you put a value on a human life?" The more difficult it is to get concensus on the right answer.

When the NBA shut down, it put pressure on the other major sports leagues. When the sports leagues shut down, it put the pressure on Govt to enact regulations. When certain sectors started closing it put pressure on other sectors.

This has been a domino effect that is more of an avalanch and I don't think anyone is properly equoped to make decisions in the face of that social pressure. It is much easier to overreact and be wrong than underreact and be wrong. It is natural for people to duck and run for cover and that is mostly what is being done now.

 

[nelli27]

Modeling study suggests 18 months of COVID-19 social distancing, much disruption

This article discusses two ways to proceed:
"Flattening the curve" vs "Suppression", the latter appears to be less taxing on the health care system but requires an almost complete shutdown for up to 18 mths. You'll have to read it for yourself.
I would not be at all surprised if next season is cancelled too.

 

[OttersFan]

This might sound like a dumb question but one I wanted to ask anyways. If no playoff games are played and the CHL cancels the Memorial Cup entirely, does Kelowna host it next year or do they give it to the OHL? This is such a rare occurrence that I didn’t know what everyone else thought. I can’t see them skipping the other league entirely, but if funds were involved that’s where it gets tricky. Thoughts? I’m sorry if this was already asked as well. It just came to mind and I didn’t look back to see if it was mentioned.

By the looks of things, playoffs wouldn’t start until end of April, early May and that’s not nearly enough time to get back into shape and ready to play.

 

[OMG67]

Modeling study suggests 18 months of COVID-19 social distancing, much disruption

This article discusses two ways to proceed:
"Flattening the curve" vs "Suppression", the latter appears to be less taxing on the health care system but requires an almost complete shutdown for up to 18 mths. You'll have to read it for yourself.
I would not be at all surprised if next season is cancelled too.

The collateral damage that would cause would far outweigh the benefits. Economies would collapse, bankruptcies would be commonplace. Housing markets would crash. Banks would be devistated. The depression created to do a long term " shut down" would be so far reachiing there would end up being conspiracy theories suggesting this would be orchestrated by far left socialists trying to crash the capitalist societies.

 

[RoyalCitySlicker]

Modeling study suggests 18 months of COVID-19 social distancing, much disruption

This article discusses two ways to proceed:
"Flattening the curve" vs "Suppression", the latter appears to be less taxing on the health care system but requires an almost complete shutdown for up to 18 mths. You'll have to read it for yourself.
I would not be at all surprised if next season is cancelled too.

In my non-expert opinion, I'd imagine we will have to do without sports until there is a reliable vaccine.

The leagues won't start up again until the WHO or CDC or whomever gives the green light....and I can't see that happening without a vaccine.

 

[shot caller]

This might sound like a dumb question but one I wanted to ask anyways. If no playoff games are played and the CHL cancels the Memorial Cup entirely, does Kelowna host it next year or do they give it to the OHL? This is such a rare occurrence that I didn’t know what everyone else thought. I can’t see them skipping the other league entirely, but if funds were involved that’s where it gets tricky. Thoughts? I’m sorry if this was already asked as well. It just came to mind and I didn’t look back to see if it was mentioned.

By the looks of things, playoffs wouldn’t start until end of April, early May and that’s not nearly enough time to get back into shape and ready to play.

Don’t apologize for asking any questions - ever.

This was debated already and another poster on this forum rationalized it in the best way possible. Kelowna most likely will be financially compensated and the memorial cup for 2021 will continue its route through Canada with a stop in the OHL.

Main reasoning for this is the general make up of a host team.
Like a team that would choose to go “all in” a host team has also made these internal arrangements.
The majority of a host team roster would be primarily made up of players that most likely wouldn’t be playing in the CHL the following season. Unfortunately, the teams that will represent their respective leagues in the national championship will have the luxury of preparing throughout that season.
You would have a host (Kelowna) quite possibly in the beginning stages of a rebuild due to their commitment to the 2020 cup season, playing in a tournament with 3 teams that loaded up for a 2021 championship run within their respective leagues. It wouldn’t make logistical sense.
I feel like the only option here would be to continue forward with the memorial cup in the OHL for 2021 and financially compensate Kelowna for their loss.
I’m not grand standing as a Greyhound fan and potential host for next season. This is purely based on rational thought. In perspective - if the hounds were to be awarded the 2021 championship - the current make up of the roster, plus any real relevant additions would be in their last season with the team, without question. As a fan, if this stoppage were to have occurred to us - there is zero way we would be able to compete the following year and mostly logical people would understand (through gritted teeth) that the only real option would be to move on.

 

[EvenSteven]

This might sound like a dumb question but one I wanted to ask anyways. If no playoff games are played and the CHL cancels the Memorial Cup entirely, does Kelowna host it next year or do they give it to the OHL? This is such a rare occurrence that I didn’t know what everyone else thought. I can’t see them skipping the other league entirely, but if funds were involved that’s where it gets tricky. Thoughts? I’m sorry if this was already asked as well. It just came to mind and I didn’t look back to see if it was mentioned.

By the looks of things, playoffs wouldn’t start until end of April, early May and that’s not nearly enough time to get back into shape and ready to play.

Um, as far as I’m concerned, should the Memorial Cup be cancelled, we just continue the rotation. The west (Kelowna) is skipped and I suppose can reapply for the tourney in 2023.

This only rights the ship, if you will. The west hosted the 100th anniversary out of turn a couple years ago. The west has nothing to complain about. The OHL on the other hand last hosted in 2017 and is expected to wait until 2022 if Kelowna is awarded the duties next year? Doesn’t sound fair to me.

A kick in the groin for Kelowna to be sure. But the west hosted in 2016 (Red Deer), 2018 (Regina), and would have hosted this year 2020 (Kelowna). That’s three times in five years. If they were automatically awarded in 2021, that’s three times in six years to the OHL’s once (2017).

I’m sure Kelowna will be ok. Likely, they’d be the WHL favourite to host for 2023.

 

[shot caller]

Um, as far as I’m concerned, should the Memorial Cup be cancelled, we just continue the rotation. The west (Kelowna) is skipped and I suppose can reapply for the tourney in 2023.

This only rights the ship, if you will. The west hosted the 100th anniversary out of turn a couple years ago. The west has nothing to complain about. The OHL on the other hand last hosted in 2017 and is expected to wait until 2022 if Kelowna is awarded the duties next year? Doesn’t sound fair to me.

A kick in the groin for Kelowna to be sure. But the west hosted in 2016 (Red Deer), 2018 (Regina), and would have hosted this year 2020 (Kelowna). That’s three times in five years. If they were automatically awarded in 2021, that’s three times in six years to the OHL’s once (2017).

I’m sure Kelowna will be ok. Likely, they’d be the WHL favourite to host for 2023.

Exactly correct.
In fact, I would suspect they would be a favourite in 2023 with the benefit of serious financial discounts. I don’t think anyone would complain about that.

 

[OMG67]

Um, as far as I’m concerned, should the Memorial Cup be cancelled, we just continue the rotation. The west (Kelowna) is skipped and I suppose can reapply for the tourney in 2023.

This only rights the ship, if you will. The west hosted the 100th anniversary out of turn a couple years ago. The west has nothing to complain about. The OHL on the other hand last hosted in 2017 and is expected to wait until 2022 if Kelowna is awarded the duties next year? Doesn’t sound fair to me.

A kick in the groin for Kelowna to be sure. But the west hosted in 2016 (Red Deer), 2018 (Regina), and would have hosted this year 2020 (Kelowna). That’s three times in five years. If they were automatically awarded in 2021, that’s three times in six years to the OHL’s once (2017).

I’m sure Kelowna will be ok. Likely, they’d be the WHL favourite to host for 2023.

You need a competitive host. We can't just assume Kelowna will be competitive next year.

Also, just because they were able to marshall resources this year doesn't mean they can next year. This isn't a tournament you can just delay a year and be fine. Loads of community and City sponsorship is required. Who's to say the City of Kelowna will be motivated to sponsor it next year? They may have other tourist priorities.

 

[ohloutsider]

You need a competitive host. We can't just assume Kelowna will be competitive next year.

Also, just because they were able to marshall resources this year doesn't mean they can next year. This isn't a tournament you can just delay a year and be fine. Loads of community and City sponsorship is required. Who's to say the City of Kelowna will be motivated to sponsor it next year? They may have other tourist priorities.

With this downturn in the economy it will even be hard to find sponsors for next year. You might find sponsors that have indicated they will be on board in either Oshawa or the Soo for next year might very well do a reversal on that. I'm sure Soo and Oshawa are scrambling right now to confirm sponsors and a will from their cities to help with it. Sports will likely take a backseat for city budgets/taxpayers for next year. The long term effects are going to be far reaching.

 

[EvenSteven]

With this downturn in the economy it will even be hard to find sponsors for next year. You might find sponsors that have indicated they will be on board in either Oshawa or the Soo for next year might very well do a reversal on that. I'm sure Soo and Oshawa are scrambling right now to confirm sponsors and a will from their cities to help with it. Sports will likely take a backseat for city budgets/taxpayers for next year. The long term effects are going to be far reaching.

Maybe next year’s tourney doesn’t have to be about $$$ for a change then?

 

[AttackSound]

With this downturn in the economy it will even be hard to find sponsors for next year. You might find sponsors that have indicated they will be on board in either Oshawa or the Soo for next year might very well do a reversal on that. I'm sure Soo and Oshawa are scrambling right now to confirm sponsors and a will from their cities to help with it. Sports will likely take a backseat for city budgets/taxpayers for next year. The long term effects are going to be far reaching.

I don't think sponsors will be hard to find simply because there will always be those key sponsors like Kia and a few others who will continue to back the CHL. Where the issues will be whoever hosts won't sell out the tournament as fans will still be cautiously turned off by this current situation. Whoever hosts will have the massive undertaking of ensuring players, teams, fans, local staff and volunteers that the venue is properly equipped with proper sanitary facilities and stations if nothing less than having medical checkpoints throughout the building who hosts.

On top of that this could spell the end of physical event tickets across the whole CHL for the foreseeable future as a result of this outbreak. So there's a lot more at play in the coming months then who will host the tournament or not the next time it comes around to the OHL.

For starters the big debate that will cross everyone's minds will be physical tickets to events and will the whole CHL continue to use tickets that are physically handed to spectators or will they have another form of ticket taking that will be in place. So that is something that has to be taken into consideration for the near future especially when hosting national events in a location or just regular events.

So this event now could play huge repercussions not just in the coming weeks and months but years as well on how these multipurpose venues are going to be used.

 

[ohloutsider]

I don't think sponsors will be hard to find simply because there will always be those key sponsors like Kia and a few others who will continue to back the CHL. Where the issues will be whoever hosts won't sell out the tournament as fans will still be cautiously turned off by this current situation. Whoever hosts will have the massive undertaking of ensuring players, teams, fans, local staff and volunteers that the venue is properly equipped with proper sanitary facilities and stations if nothing less than having medical checkpoints throughout the building who hosts.

On top of that this could spell the end of physical event tickets across the whole CHL for the foreseeable future as a result of this outbreak. So there's a lot more at play in the coming months then who will host the tournament or not the next time it comes around to the OHL.

For starters the big debate that will cross everyone's minds will be physical tickets to events and will the whole CHL continue to use tickets that are physically handed to spectators or will they have another form of ticket taking that will be in place. So that is something that has to be taken into consideration for the near future especially when hosting national events in a location or just regular events.

So this event now could play huge repercussions not just in the coming weeks and months but years as well on how these multipurpose venues are going to be used.

The season ticket holders get "physical" tickets but a large share of online/walk up tickets are on their phones. Don't see as many 'tickets as you use to.

Not sure Kia or any other sponsor is a "sure thing". I have family in the auto sales industry and car sales have basically stopped. If this trend continues it will have an impact on the bottom lines of all major industries including car sales. Companies are going to re-evaluate the distribution of their available funds if they have any spare coin so to speak. If you have worked in minor sports you see sponsors come and go all of the time depending on the state of "their" economics. Sponsors are never a sure thing.

 

[jamo27]

What happens if social distancing continues for the next year? Can the OHL even exist without people paying money in large numbers in arenas?

 

[Millpond]

Modeling study suggests 18 months of COVID-19 social distancing, much disruption

This article discusses two ways to proceed:
"Flattening the curve" vs "Suppression", the latter appears to be less taxing on the health care system but requires an almost complete shutdown for up to 18 mths. You'll have to read it for yourself.
I would not be at all surprised if next season is cancelled too.

Me too.
And when things resume,how many franchises left ?

 

[EvenSteven]

Me too.
And when things resume,how many franchises left ?

20

 

[K9Kobe]

What happens if social distancing continues for the next year? Can the OHL even exist without people paying money in large numbers in arenas?

Who cares at this point? Lives are much more important than organizations.

I’m pretty sure this isn’t the apocalypse. It may take some time, but things will get back to normal.

Wishing you all to be safe and please heed directions from your public officials.

And a shout out to all cashiers, truck drivers, child care workers, janitors, production workers, shipper/receivers, couriers, bus drivers...too many to list who are risking their health to keep things running.

And of course, to all first responders, the medical profession and scientists. Please kick this virus in the ass!!

 

[AttackSound]

What happens if social distancing continues for the next year? Can the OHL even exist without people paying money in large numbers in arenas?

The OHL will survive plain and simple. It may take time till we see proper health and safety measures to ensure everyone's safety but the CHL has safety clauses in place that would ensure of that especially when the bulk of the CHL clubs lease space in their home facilities across the CHL. Speaking from an Owen Sound Attack standpoint they have a longstanding relationship with the city of Owen Sound that was renegotiated a few years ago that would see them stay for another 15-20 years or so. I can't speak for other cities but I would imagine that the majority of the the league and the governors would have agreed to some sort of safety clauses the last time teams relocated to Flint and Hamilton that would state that team's could not flood up until their lease with their cities was up for renewal. As for next season the OHL has probably discussed that scenario when the went to their emergency meeting of the governors the other day when they chose to wrap up the regular season due to safety concerns.

Unless there's a centre out in the OHL/CHL whose lease was expiring at the end of the season then the OHL/CHL will re-evaluate the situation for next season and try and keep the attendance numbers to a profitable margin for 2020-21. I can see that the Canadian healthcare system is and will continue to battle this situation with all it has and has made minor successes so far and will continue to as we move forward with this situation, resiliency and dedicated healthcare professionals is what is going to win this battle with this situation plain and simple all we can do as citizens is protect and prevent the spread of this virus and use common sense to limit our risk of developing symptoms and spreading it around.

 

[nelli27]

Me too.
And when things resume,how many franchises left ?

8 months of aggressive social distancing could quite possibly be necessary. And if that's the case, next season could be threatened too.

 

[Ward Cornell]

8 months of aggressive social distancing could quite possibly be necessary. And if that's the case, next season could be threatened too.

Even though I did "like" your post, it was more in cringing agreement!
I can't believe that my last OHL game in person I had to spend sitting beside a Knights fan! .....Maybe we strengthened each other immune system! ha