OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19): Part VII - READ THE OP

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  1. Gardner McKay Alright Frankie...

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    I was hoping that we wouldn't have to go to Part VII... but here we are. Moderator tolerance for political discussion is at an all time low. There will be no warnings. There will be no second chances. At this point, crossing that line will come with a forum ban that will remain in place until hockey season starts.

    Don't say we didn't warn you.
     
  2. will1066 Whatever the guy in Vegas

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    We pretty much rolled out the red carpet for SARS-Cov-2 in the years prior by creating a highly divisive and politicized environment in the country. We are unable to solve pretty much any nationally important issue in a bipartisan way and now that includes COVID-19.
     
  3. eco's bones Registered User

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    A lot of people were very excited in 2008 in different ways with the financial meltdown and the election of an African American POTUS. There were seeds before that but it seems to me a big split happened over those two events. When the political and/or economic becomes dysfunctional---society becomes dysfunctional too. There is a real disconnect in any case as far as who politicians really work for and the same with economics when a very select few own pretty much own more than half the real wealth. I'm not sure how we solve all this but we do need a more sharing and shared society.

    FWIW maybe a silver lining out of this virus is I think it has brought a lot of people more together in New York State--which doesn't mean people don't still have opposite views on things but I do think a lot more people are concerned more in a good way about people around them.
     
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    Ignorance and arrogance is a dangerous combination.
     
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    My dad works in a small office with two people that couldn't help themselves but go to Florida. I wish they could somehow stay there. f***ing idiots. One of them is my uncle too.
     
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    Def terrible, but what is the hospitalization rate?
     
  7. eco's bones Registered User

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    I was looking at this article:

    New cases, hospitalizations, deaths: Florida COVID-19 numbers

    The writer points out the confusing unreliability of stats by the state govt., health department and local county govt.'s--but to me it still paints a very dire picture. The huge number of cases from June 5 and on is pretty stark as one's day record is shattered by the next. This isn't a brush fire situation--it's out of control IMO. We also know that death counts lag sometimes two/three/four weeks behind cases and that overwhelmed hospitals will be forced to make decisions on who lives and who doesn't. The average age here is younger but there will be older people and those with underlying conditions mixed in.

    On how much capacity Florida's hospital system has I'm not sure but you can't continue to have 9000 new cases + days and expect those hospitals not to fill up.
     
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    Florida adds 8,530 today. California's been adding 5,000 to 6,000 a day--same in Texas. Arizona is between 3,000 and 4,000 lately with a much smaller population. California, Texas and Florida are our most populous states. As a country (other than in the Northeast) we're not making progress against the virus. If anything we're going backwards.
     
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    not really surprising though between people refusing to wear masks and every states apparent rush to re-open as quickly as possible. the lockdown was supposed to slow things down and buy us time, but nothing was done. there still isn't enough testing or anything else so the rushing to re-open is essentially as if we never had a lockdown in the first place. we just delayed it a few months banking on the hopes that the heat would kill it.

    fortunately you are starting to see places slow down and rollback the re-opening, that will hopefully help slow things down but its still not a long term strategy
     
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    This blog by an immunologist was a really handy read:

    https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them

    It echoes a lot of the sentiments that have been hopping around. That is, the virus is containable but there's a few really bad activities that are time bombs: indoor large gatherings, church, bars, meat plants, and anywhere where people are singing. In municipalities where the virus is contained, new flare-ups are being traced almost exclusively to these places.

    Talking (and/or singing -- singing is worse) is the biggest culprit of respiratory spread. Interestingly, despite the fear over elevators, there hasn't been any evidence at all that they're a conduit. That's because you mostly mind your own business on the elevator. Rather, outbreaks at work are being traced back to floors (i.e. the 11th floor of Joe Schmo and Associates) where people socialize and talk to each other.

    Bars are major issue. I mean, the world won't end if kids miss a year of school, and I'm sorry to say if you're religious, but honestly, you're not going to die if you put off church. Bars are largely personal businesses that can't afford a year on the shelf. At the same time, they're absolute petri dishes, so I'm not sure what should be done about them.
     
  11. Tawnos A guy with a bass

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    I mean... it is the 20s. They had the solution exactly 100 years ago.
     
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    I don't have any horse in the race but keeping kids home for an entire school year how will parents who can't work from home manage? Could it somehow be set up to be optional to keep your kids home/home school or send them to school? Allowing for reduced capacity.
    I guess no church choir participation for me anymore...j/k. But I truly feel bad for the older population. Some of them rely on places like church to have a feeling of belonging, reducing loneliness, even increasing physical activity (mind and body) and not just a place to practice their faith. I guess live streaming could help but I don't know.
     
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    I'm definitely all for some kind of replacement for school seeing as parents have to go back to work, I just think the traditional school setting of shouting at each other for 7 hours isn't going to work.

    Same goes for church. There's no problem with going there, but it's going to have to be without singing our shouting "amen!"

    With bars, there's not much of an alternative. You literally go there to drink and talk.
     
  14. Irishguy42 Mr. Preachy

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    School definitely needs to be sorted out.

    Yes, I get the "people need to go back to work for the economy" thing.

    But that doesn't work unless school/etc. gets worked out first
     
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    In other news mime is making a comeback.
     
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    Here for it.
     
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  18. Gardner McKay Alright Frankie...

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    Our church has moved completely online for the time being. Others that aren't capable of that have moved outdoors. Where there is a will, there is a way. :dunno:
     
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    My hockey league started last week. Ive been sitting out.


    Within 1 week multiple teams have been exposed... And a player is on a ventilator in the ICU.


    In 1 week.
     
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  20. nyr2k2 Can't Beat Him

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    I'm liking this post not because I actually like what you're saying, but because this is exactly the type of shit that people need to understand will happen.

    I hope that guy ends up okay.
     
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  21. NYSPORTS back afta dis. . .

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    where are you located?
     
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  23. NYSPORTS back afta dis. . .

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    geez, sry to learn that. Due to lockeroom? Do you think it was from playing on ice?

    Son is about to restart Lax yet we’re up north. Not sure what to think about fball come August.

    Hope you teammate will be ok.
     
  24. Machinehead No1BS

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    Absolutely. Whatever it takes to not get sick and still live your life because, yes, you need to.

    We got the Premier League back (and won the f***ing title, what's up!) and some people lamented that it's not the same. And I'm like bro, that's better than not playing

    I think people need to understand what the choices actually are. I'm not a fan of shutdowns at all but when the iced tricks start showing up to hold the corpses, the flight instinct is going to kick in. I don't care what your politics are.

    The US is worse off partially because we've made this a political argument when it isn't. I've become so frustrated with the "it's just a cold" versus "don't even breathe or grandma will die" discourse when neither is true.

    The thing is, the virus doesn't really care. We can be smart and minimize damage while living at 75, 80% or we get steamrolled and end up with hard restrictions anyway because we got steamrolled.

    "Just f*** it" is not one of the options. Turning off planet Earth until it goes away is also not one of the options.
     
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    Of course the mongos down the shore ruined restaurants opening this week in Jersey.
     
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    Not going to get too deeply into this but no one politicized this more than healthcare workers that put out a statement basically green lighting breaking every possible protocol because it fit with their politics. I'll leave that there.
     
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