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None of this makes any sense. Entire homeless shelters infected without symptoms. Entire naval vessels the same way. Yet NYC is burning. Front-line doctors everyday telling horror stories of the way the disease just destroys human beings, families, and communities. Then stories about how thousands of prisoners in the mid-west had it and not so much as sneeze or wet fart. What-the-f***?
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There is a theory going around that there is more than one strain, and that the east coast was hit with a more deadly version than other parts of the U.S. The strain that infected NYC is thought to have come out of Europe while the west coast strain came from China.

New York/New Jersey Hit By Different Strain
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.29.069054v1.full.pdf
 
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rt said:
None of this makes any sense. Entire homeless shelters infected without symptoms. Entire naval vessels the same way. Yet NYC is burning. Front-line doctors everyday telling horror stories of the way the disease just destroys human beings, families, and communities. Then stories about how thousands of prisoners in the mid-west had it and not so much as sneeze or wet fart. What-the-f***?
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I'm sure there are asymptomatics in all the risk categories including age. It can be "safe" for the individual risks, and still kill lots of people. Driving to work is "safe", but tens of thousands of people die every year driving.
Kills one person on the Roosevelt, despite infecting hundreds. Over half showed no symptoms. A thousand on the Charles De Gaul, no fatalities.
But in a population of 327 million, we're going to have lots of deaths.
 
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MIG said:
There is a theory going around that there is more than one strain, and that the east coast was hit with a more deadly version than other parts of the U.S. The strain that infected NYC is thought to have come out of Europe while the west coast strain came from China.

New York/New Jersey Hit By Different Strain
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.29.069054v1.full.pdf
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I remember reading back in late February there had been at least two distinct strains identified at the time and speculation would be there'd be more than that before it was over.
 
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An active case test study:
Initial Results of Mission District COVID-19 Testing Announced

Overall, 1.4 percent of the participants who lived in the research area tested positive for COVID-19. More than half of those who tested positive (53 percent) reported experiencing no symptoms of COVID-19. Three quarters were men and an overwhelming number (95 percent) were Hispanic or Latinx. The majority of those who tested positive (82 percent) reported having been financially affected by economic fallout of the pandemic and only 10 percent reported being able to work from home.
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Notably, people with underlying medical conditions who tested positive were much more likely to report COVID-19 symptoms (76 percent) compared to those who tested positive without underlying medical conditions (38 percent).
The results so far suggest that those who are at highest risk for infection are those who cannot easily shelter in place due to job loss, furloughs, or because they are providing the essential services. Among those who tested positive, 90 percent reported being unable to work from home. In contrast, among those who tested negative, 53 percent reported no impact on their work or financial stability. Nearly 89 percent of those who tested positive earn less than $50,000 a year and most live in households of 3 to 5 people (59.6 percent) or larger (28.8 percent). Notably, people who lived outside the census tract but who go there for work were much more likely to test positive (6.1 percent) than residents (1.4 percent).
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They performed antibody tests as well, but they aren't processed yet. 95% of positives were Latino. According to the Chronicle,
“Notable was that those who tested positive had much in common: The vast majority, 90%, could not work from home. And 75% were men, even though men accounted for just 55% of study participants. Nearly 89% earned less than $50,000 a year, and most lived in households of three to five people. Almost everyone who tested positive, 95%, was Latino, even though Latinos represented only 44% of study participants.”
“Researchers focused on the Mission because of its high population density and large Latino population. The ZIP code that includes the Mission District has the most coronavirus cases in the city, with 214 cases, according to the San Francisco Department of Public Health. Latino residents make up about 15% of San Francisco’s total population but account for 37% of the city’s confirmed COVID-19 cases, according to city health data.”

So a bunch of things going on in that test.
 
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An active case test study:
Initial Results of Mission District COVID-19 Testing Announced



They performed antibody tests as well, but they aren't processed yet. 95% of positives were Latino. According to the Chronicle,
“Notable was that those who tested positive had much in common: The vast majority, 90%, could not work from home. And 75% were men, even though men accounted for just 55% of study participants. Nearly 89% earned less than $50,000 a year, and most lived in households of three to five people. Almost everyone who tested positive, 95%, was Latino, even though Latinos represented only 44% of study participants.”
“Researchers focused on the Mission because of its high population density and large Latino population. The ZIP code that includes the Mission District has the most coronavirus cases in the city, with 214 cases, according to the San Francisco Department of Public Health. Latino residents make up about 15% of San Francisco’s total population but account for 37% of the city’s confirmed COVID-19 cases, according to city health data.”

So a bunch of things going on in that test.
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Don't know how you can live in the Mission District making so little $$$
 

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You haven't provided any backup evidence for your statements. "Like any other virus" is certainly the most nonsense one, in fact this is a new type of coronavirus, which humanity had no contact with previously. SARS-CoV-1 (which was a similar type of coronavirus) killed around 10% of the infected, was it also like any other virus? What about HIV, is it also a matter of eating your vitamins and zinc and you'll be fine? I'm a bit tired of this simplistic "eat well, exercise" and you'll survive, when it's probably age and genetics that are the primary factors that determine whether a person survives or not.
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There is more risk if you are older, above 75, more deaths by far in that age group, but they also have other ailments, so not healthy. Genetics have next to nothing to do with death rates. It really is simple, live a healthy lifestyle and your immune system will do its job. Taking vitamin C/D/Zinc might help as well.
 

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rt said:
None of this makes any sense. Entire homeless shelters infected without symptoms. Entire naval vessels the same way. Yet NYC is burning. Front-line doctors everyday telling horror stories of the way the disease just destroys human beings, families, and communities. Then stories about how thousands of prisoners in the mid-west had it and not so much as sneeze or wet fart. What-the-f***?
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Hard to say, maybe folks in homeless shelters and prisons are leaner from lack of food, skinnier people are generally healthier. Maybe NYC has generally heavier people making them less healthy.
 
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Hard to say, maybe folks in homeless shelters and prisons are leaner from lack of food, skinnier people are generally healthier. Maybe NYC has generally heavier people making them less healthy.
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Most likely not the skinny bit, New Yorkers walk all over the place and tend to be thin overall. I know two very fit NY'rs in their early twenty's who got it and are donating plasma.
 

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Cuomo says it's 'shocking' most new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who had been staying home
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I just don't believe any data that has been quoted from the so called experts. None of it. Like we said before, crap in, crap out. People who are in power are getting out of control and it has to be stopped somehow. The amount of money the government has spent over the years to organizations like WHO is mind boggling, and all are a corrupt bunch of buffoons. Governs acting like God, telling people they will be arrested and charged because we are trying to make a living and feed our families. It makes me sick to think what this country has become.
 
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Have you guys seen the new JP Sears video? It’s hilarious!
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I Googled it and found out, but I'm quite happy that I did not know JP Sears.

"JP Sears is an American life coach and internet comedian" So is half the planet!
 
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rt said:
Cliff’s?
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In early April, a group used the Imperial College Model to predict Sweden's situation. They predicted 40,000 deaths shortly after May 1st based on Swedish demographics inserted into the model. That has not at all happened.
It's possible that they did a bad job of getting or using that demographic info which would affect the results, but it's hard to screw up on that sort of scale if the model works.
 
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In early April, a group used the Imperial College Model to predict Sweden's situation. They predicted 40,000 deaths shortly after May 1st based on Swedish demographics inserted into the model. That has not at all happened.
It's possible that they did a bad job of getting or using that demographic info which would affect the results, but it's hard to screw up on that sort of scale if the model works.
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That’s like 10x higher?
 
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And zinc, never forget the zinc.
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Zinc is a known viral inhibitor. Vitamin C is known booster of the immune system, and may change blood chemistry in a way that inhibits viral replication.
It's dumb to assume that eating all your veggies or taking vitamins somehow makes someone immune to COVID-19 complications, but it's even dumber to keep making comments like yours.
 
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