Player Discussion Connor Brown (C) - Update: Signs 3 year, $10.8M deal

[Sweatred]

Inflation aside, Tampa seems to consistently get discounts when re-signing their players. Florida is no income tax state I believe, and obviously has the nice weather to go along with it. Got to add that cold weather, high tax rate premium to any comparison...

Beaches and Taxes - feels worth about 20%+ to a player ?

 

[aragorn]

I'm not sure Duclair has much more upside than Brown. AD caught fire the first half but hasn't scored since before Christmas. Brown plays a more complete game.

And that's why he has been on as many teams as he has, he's very inconsistent & when not scoring doesn't do much of anything else. Too bad, Ottawa needs a consistent goal scorer in a bad way.

 

[thammias]

Report: Ottawa Senators RFA Connor Brown requests $4.8M deal in arbitration - TSN.ca

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Report: Ottawa Senators RFA Connor Brown requests $4.8M deal in arbitration - TSN.ca

low offer ; big ask

 

[DrSense]

Risky ask. If Sens walk from the decision if he wins (their option) he will struggle to get those kind of $'s as a UFA. That said, will likely get more than the Sens offered, but a gamble. If he asked for $3.75 for example, good chance he wins, and that might be more than he'd get as a UFA.

 

[Boud]

Risky ask. If Sens walk from the decision if he wins (their option) he will struggle to get those kind of $'s as a UFA. That said, will likely get more than the Sens offered, but a gamble. If he asked for $3.75 for example, good chance he wins, and that might be more than he'd get as a UFA.

I think it's his way of saying if you're not paying me adequately I will go play somewhere else knowing the team doesn't keep him at that amount.

I think they should be pushing for something in the 3 years around 4M or 4 years at 3.75M.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Risky ask. If Sens walk from the decision if he wins (their option) he will struggle to get those kind of $'s as a UFA. That said, will likely get more than the Sens offered, but a gamble. If he asked for $3.75 for example, good chance he wins, and that might be more than he'd get as a UFA.

I think it's a formality to have a high ask in arbitration.

This should have been something they got done before though. It's another last-minute negotiation and we all know how those typically end. Only a couple days to get something done or that Zaitsev trade looks awful.

 

[Sweatred]

I think it's a formality to have a high ask in arbitration.

This should have been something they got done before though. It's another last-minute negotiation and we all know how those typically end. Only a couple days to get something done or that Zaitsev trade looks awful.

Paying Brown 3x$5 or whatever doesn't make the Z deal any better or worse. The Z deal was good because Brown provided $2+ of positive value to offset some of Z's negative value. He likely won't provide any positive value next year.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Paying Brown 3x$5 or whatever doesn't make the Z deal any better or worse. The Z deal was good because Brown provided $2+ of positive value to offset some of Z's negative value. He likely won't provide any positive value next year.

Brown isn't getting $5 mil.

 

[Sweatred]

Brown isn't getting $5 mil.

That's what the "or whatever" part was for.

 

[Tuna99]

Risky ask. If Sens walk from the decision if he wins (their option) he will struggle to get those kind of $'s as a UFA. That said, will likely get more than the Sens offered, but a gamble. If he asked for $3.75 for example, good chance he wins, and that might be more than he'd get as a UFA.

rosk is with Ottawa and losing the player / guarantee Brown gets scooped up with the Oilers right away if Sens walk away. Okay a season with McDavid and get your numbers up for Free agency.

Sens need to sign Brown to at least 3 years. Team isn’t going anywhere if they can’t keep their good players.

Daddy in - Brown out isn’t a win for Ottawa.

 

[SensFactor]

Losing Brown after next season would be silly. However I agree with many that paying him close to what he's looking for 4.5million+ is not a great deal for us

 

[HSF]

meh down to keep him around for 3 years or so but players like him should def not be handed long term deals. We should learn from White

 

[h2]

meh down to keep him around for 3 years or so but players like him should def not be handed long term deals. We should learn from White

I think 3.75-4.25m range is fair. Anything higher is not worth it.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

We can just re-up him for the same or cheaper later on.

No need to go beyond 3 years imo, it puts all the risk on the organization and C. Brown doesn't have the leverage.

 

[BankStreetParade]

low offer ; big ask

On a 1 year contract, it's not a super low offer if you consider they'd probably settle at the $3 million range. But you typically don't get max money on a 1 year deal coming off RFA and going into UFA. Just doesn't make much sense. The money he's asking for might be appropriate for a contract with extensive term but then that begs the question of whether this team wants him for that long in the first place.

At 3 years, I think they settle somewhere closer to $3.65-$4.15 million per year.

At $4.8 million, he's making his comparables Elias Lindholm, Alex Tuch, Kevin Labanc, Andre Burakovsky and Colin White though it should be noted all those guys signed contracts with term.

 

[jhutter]

Garrioch reported that 3 x $3.5M should get it done. What were the Sens expecting? Prior to COVID, there were 4 x 4.5-5 talks, I'm not sure how this doesn't get done if 3 x $3.5 is a realistic number.

 

[Sweatred]

Why keep Brown when we flipped Pager, MD, MS, EK, RD etc for assets.

The idea shouldn’t be to restock the cupboard and try to build a conventional winner with $40 million less revenue than everyone else ... it should be to double down on UFA’s, draft well, and turn every good player into 2 good players until the 4th line loaded.

Flip Brown for prospects and picks and resign someone next year for $4 million. He is good but replaceable at that cap hit.

 

[jhutter]

Why keep Brown when we flipped Pager, MD, MS, EK, RD etc for assets.

The idea shouldn’t be to restock the cupboard and try to build a conventional winner with $40 million less revenue than everyone else ... it should be to double down on UFA’s, draft well, and turn every good player into 2 good players until the 4th line loaded.

Flip Brown for prospects and picks and resign someone next year for $4 million. He is good but replaceable at that cap hit.

Who replaces him? The team has very few proven NHL players.

 

[devbouz12]

2.25 is really low though, even for a one year contract. What's the ideal long-term contract for this guy? 4.5×5?

 

[Sweatred]

Who replaces him? The team has very few proven NHL players.

a UFA or trade acquisition next year. Sign him to a 1 year deal this season.

 

[NHL Dude 120]

4* 3.5 is fine by me

 

[BigRig4]

What is the point of even coming in with "asks" to the arbitrator? Don't they just decide on a number afterwards anyway?

 

[otown]

Sens offer isn't much better than what he was making before.
On the other hand he's shooting for the stars with a ridiculous request for 4.8 million!
I see the arbitrator coming in mid to high 3's.
If he gets a one year deal he could be long gone after that as the prospects begin to backfill roster spots.
One year may not be so bad!

 

[Odie Cleghorn]

rosk is with Ottawa and losing the player / guarantee Brown gets scooped up with the Oilers right away if Sens walk away. Okay a season with McDavid and get your numbers up for Free agency.

Sens need to sign Brown to at least 3 years. Team isn’t going anywhere if they can’t keep their good players.

Daddy in - Brown out isn’t a win for Ottawa.

He is nothing special. He should be a 3rd line forward by next year. Anything over 3.5 mil should mean he is moved out.