Friedman: Colorado and Vegas Kicking Tires on Mark Stone

[DRW204]

Seeing what Karlsson went for, OTT 1st would be overpay

 

[CraigsList]

Why does OTT do that though? If we're just talking about getting a 1st for Stone, OTT can trade him to many teams.

The entire point of Stone going to COL is that Sakic owns that OTT 2019 1st which is more valuable to Ottawa than it is to Colorado. Colorado knows it's going to almost certainly be a high pick, but Ottawa re-acquiring the pick means that they can tank their way to 4th overall via trading the last few strong veteran players they have other than Stone.

And how is that enticing to Colorado? They’d rather keep the your pick.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

And how is that enticing to Colorado? They’d rather keep the your pick.

Ok.

 

[HanSolo]

Uh. Hey Vegas. Defense. Brannstrom and Whitecloud look real good but stacking the offense might not be the answer to what's been going on around the West.

 

[Ouroboros]

It could maybe make a little sense around the trade deadline. If Colorado are in a playoff spot, and Ottawa are bad but comfortably out of the basement; maybe somewhere like 7th or 8th worst in the league. At that point you're looking at moving a ~10th overall pick for a prime age top line winger which seems fine assuming you can extend him.

 

[JackFr]

If Stone is going to leave Ottawa, for the fans sake I hope the deal involves getting their 1st back.

Why would Stone be worth that much more than Karlsson?

 

[Echo Roku]

I wonder if Sakic and Dorion get along.

 

[Balthazar]

Why would Stone be worth that much more than Karlsson?

Because he'd agree to re-sign with the new team? Karlsson was traded at rental value.

If Stone doesn't agree to extend with us before the trade we don't want him anyway.

 

[CupInSIX]

Because he'd agree to re-sign with the new team? Karlsson was traded at rental value.

If Stone doesn't agree to extend with us before the trade we don't want him anyway.

If Stone wants 8 years he has to wait until the trade deadline. Plus Ottawa can't do a sign and trade (until Jan) because of arbitration.

 

[Balthazar]

If Stone wants 8 years he has to wait until the trade deadline. Plus Ottawa can't do a sign and trade (until Jan) because of arbitration.

AVS aren't after a rental for obvious reasons. Make of that what you will.

 

[Mighty Makar]

Now that Karlsson is gone, I wonder if Makar would be enough to get Stone (extended)? The Avs still have the Sens’ pick.

 

[Hennessy]

Sakic is just setting the price for Stone. Some other GM will do his dirty work.
Next up: Duchene.

 

[BuLLeT1291]

If OTT can somehow pull off a miracle and get the Avs to trade them their first back for Stone+ I would be wayyyyy more optimistic about the Sens rebuild. Then if they could trade Duchene for another first to another team then I think they would really be sitting pretty.

I know trading EK was not ideal but if they are gonna go full rebuild that’s what needed to happen.

 

[Clayonator]

And how is that enticing to Colorado? They’d rather keep the your pick.

“the your”

 

[WhatTheDuck]

And how is that enticing to Colorado? They’d rather keep the your pick.

Colorado already bought out the Orpik and he signed back in Washington

 

[klozge]

I’d do that as an Avs fan. I’d even throw in an extra conditional 2nd if Stone extends.

I don't. Timmins has the potential to become an outright fantastic NHL defenseman.

 

[Ivan13]

Out of curiosity, if Colorado knows stone will sign with them... how much does Ott add to get their 1st back?

If ott can get their 1st back, without losing any of their prospects that would be pretty huge for their rebuild.

They aren't getting it back.

 

[crazyhawk]

If Ottawa trades Stone and Duchene I would like to know how they intend to get to the cap floor?
Let's fantasize for a moment ... Melnyk sells the team by Feb., Stone and Duchene resign and Karlsson returns. Ha!

 

[PriceIsGod]

Said it when the EK trade happened and I'll say it again. Every team should be kicking the tires on Duchene/Stone... He'll even if you don't want them that much you might be able to flip them for something better. Just considering how poorly this Ottawa team has been managed I would consider it worth my time as a GM.

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Out of curiosity, if Colorado knows stone will sign with them... how much does Ott add to get their 1st back?

Nothing.

Stone is what you hope a top-5 pick turns out to be, if you're lucky.

Also still decently young. This of course under the condition that he is signed for at least 5 years.

 

[HabsQC]

Colorado would be such fools if they didn't keep this pick. This is a rare opportunity. That Duchene trade was very bad for Ottawa. All seem to have gone downwards from that point.

 

[Price is Wright]

Colorado is not trading that pick. No way no how.

 

[shortfuze]

I would guess they would want (besides their own 1st Round Pick) from Colorado.



Cale Makar or Connor Timmins
COL 2019 1st Round Pick
Maybe AJ Greer? Or just more picks like a 3rd or conditional 2nd.

Tougher for Vegas, they would have to add a crap ton of picks since I doubt they plan on moving Glass or Brannstrom.



VGK 2019 1st Round Pick
DAL 2019 2nd Round Pick
Nicolas Hague
Maybe another pick?

It’s gonna take a lot doh to get a player as good as Stone is, he was like literally the only positive part of the Senators last year.

Have you been paying attention to Ottawa’s last 2 trades? What we may consider a lot is simply not the same as what Dorion considers a lot.

 

[Skolman]

If only Edmonton could dump Lucic and go after Stone....

 

[613Leafer]

If Stone is going to leave Ottawa, for the fans sake I hope the deal involves getting their 1st back.

Would you trade an unprotected 1st from an expected bottom feeder team for a pending UFA winger?

Keeping in mind that the general value for pending UFA ~65 point wingers is usually a mid/late 1st + B-prospect + pick (Evander Kane got a conditional 1st which required him to re-sign, a 4th rounder, and a C-prospect, as the most recent example).