Prospect Info: Cole Caufield (Part 5) - No Sophmore Slump, please Edition

[FrankMTL]

I'm most certain that he will follow the same path as Johnny Hockey and graduate. You guys have to wait 2 more years.

I don't agree with you as by most accounts he wants to play in the NHL as soon as possible, but I'm not in his head, and I don't work as GM for the Montreal Canadiens, so I guess we'll find out at one point. One thing is for sure though, if this thing drags on in the USA for longer than people think, and they lose a full year of hockey, it won't be good for his development.

 

[TannedBum]

I don't agree with you as by most accounts he wants to play in the NHL as soon as possible

Nope. It doesn't mean he don't want to graduate. Fans can hope and want whatever.

 

[FrankMTL]

Nope. It doesn't mean he don't want to graduate. Fans can hope and want whatever.

Are you aware of something we're not?

 

[montreal]

If he dominates in Junior, can he be called up to the AHL?

no, he has to stay until his junior season would be over outside of an emergency recall.

Caulfield is most definitely not the only NCAA player who might head to the AHL early this year.

Will that cause issues with the 50-contract limit leaguewide?

I don't think the NCAA cancels the season, it's hard to say what will happen one way or the other just have to wait and see.

I did read that even if a player plays Junior, they have to be enrolled and can't miss classes. I suppose if classes are online, it could in theory be doable. But that's a tough ask.

the only way they can play juniors is,

1. their school cancels the season
2. then their school has to give permission to play juniors
3. then their conference has to give permission to play juniors

I'm most certain that he will follow the same path as Johnny Hockey and graduate. You guys have to wait 2 more years.

I bet everything I own that he signs with the Habs by the end of the season.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Saw that Caufield was in fact measured at 5'7. Gionta was listed as 5'7, but many say he was really much smaller.

As long as Caufield turns into Gionta with a little more scoring touch, I really don't care that he's 5'7. A lot of people forget Gionta scored 37 goals in his first 80 games with us. But Gionta had a lot of low 20 goal seasons. Hopefully Caufield can have off years with at least high 20 goal totals.

Caufield looks 5'3 or 5'4.

 

[26Mats]

Caufield looks 5'3 or 5'4.

At the combine he was measured as 5'7

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I'm most certain that he will follow the same path as Johnny Hockey and graduate. You guys have to wait 2 more years.

CC seems more concerned with starting in the NHL asap. Almost everything I've read from him points to this.

He can always graduate later on. He'll have the money for it, even if he doesn't pan out.

 

[Wats]

I think OHL is a terrible idea. Either NCAA or AHL, and NCAA likely isn't happening so welcome aboard!

Why is the OHL terrible idea? He struggled to produce in WJC against players his age. Not sure he's ready for AHL where everyone is going to be bigger and older.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Why is the OHL terrible idea? He struggled to produce in WJC against players his age. Not sure he's ready for AHL where everyone is going to be bigger and older.

Because he produced against more experienced, older and stronger players in the NCAA. He would not experience that in the CHL.

 

[Wats]

Saw that Caufield was in fact measured at 5'7. Gionta was listed as 5'7, but many say he was really much smaller.

As long as Caufield turns into Gionta with a little more scoring touch, I really don't care that he's 5'7. A lot of people forget Gionta scored 37 goals in his first 80 games with us. But Gionta had a lot of low 20 goal seasons. Hopefully Caufield can have off years with at least high 20 goal totals.

Caufield being as good as Gionta would be a huge win.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Why is the OHL terrible idea? He struggled to produce in WJC against players his age. Not sure he's ready for AHL where everyone is going to be bigger and older.

There is a significant difference in age groups between the OHL and NCAA. The majority of NCAA players are over 20 years old. The majority of OHL players are under 20 years old. Caufield is already playing against adults.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

CC seems more concerned with starting in the NHL asap. Almost everything I've read from him points to this.

He can always graduate later on. He'll have the money for it, even if he doesn't pan out.

With good reason, the sooner he signs and plays he can maximize his earnings - even if he doesn’t pan out just the initial contract will get him far enough ahead that he can go back to school later. No brainer for him

 

[montreal]

Why is the OHL terrible idea? He struggled to produce in WJC against players his age. Not sure he's ready for AHL where everyone is going to be bigger and older.

i brought this up a few days back when posters were saying he struggled at the WJC's, it was more about usage, aside from 1 game he played between 11:12 to 13:27, he should have been on the top 2 lines getting over 18 mins a game imo. as for struggling vs his own age, if you look at all the U-20 games he played which is WJC's, summer showcase vs Sweden and Finland, exhibition he played 12 games and had 10 goals and 14 pts.

 

[Redux91]

I'm most certain that he will follow the same path as Johnny Hockey and graduate. You guys have to wait 2 more years.

"You guys" lmao, thats cute, youre trying to seperate yourself I get it.

Sorry pal, but strong chance he signs, no matter what you feel or think, just like the rest of us

 

[Paddyjack]

There is a significant difference in age groups between the OHL and NCAA. The majority of NCAA players are over 20 years old. The majority of OHL players are under 20 years old. Caufield is already playing against adults.

Ok but what about skills? What group is the most skilled, OHL or NCAA? (I really don't know). If OHL is more skilled I don't see why it would be a problem to play there. I didn't see Suzuki struggle this year despite him playing against kid size players last year.

In fact, the guy I have seen struggle was Peohling, who incidentally was playing NCAA last season....

 

[26Mats]

i brought this up a few days back when posters were saying he struggled at the WJC's, it was more about usage, aside from 1 game he played between 11:12 to 13:27, he should have been on the top 2 lines getting over 18 mins a game imo. as for struggling vs his own age, if you look at all the U-20 games he played which is WJC's, summer showcase vs Sweden and Finland, exhibition he played 12 games and had 10 goals and 14 pts.

Do you know if there were any games where he had something like a 6 point game against an opponent like Kazakhstan?

 

[TannedBum]

"You guys" lmao, thats cute, youre trying to seperate yourself I get it.

Sorry pal, but strong chance he signs, no matter what you feel or think, just like the rest of us

Yup, i'm a realist and a bit more objective than the majority of this forum. Sorry pal, but your "strong chance he signs" feeling is based on fanboy-emotions.

 

[montreal]

Ok but what about skills? What group is the most skilled, OHL or NCAA? (I really don't know). If OHL is more skilled I don't see why it would be a problem to play there. I didn't see Suzuki struggle this year despite him playing against kid size players last year.

In fact, the guy I have seen struggle was Peohling, who incidentally was playing NCAA last season....

i wouldn't compare what's best for one prospect vs another prospect that struggled as each is in their own boat.

the question should be, what does Caufield need to improve upon? once you figure that out it becomes where is the best place for him to improve on those issues?

I think it's all a moot point, he doesn't want to play there, the NCAA has yet to cancel the season so he can't play there just yet and imo if they do cancel which I don't think they will then my money is on the AHL.

Do you know if there were any games where he had something like a 6 point game against an opponent like Kazakhstan?

Germany was the only weak team he faced.

	July 27, 2019	vs. Sweden U20*	1	1	0	1	-	0	-
	July 28, 2019	vs. Finland U20*	1	0	1	1	+3	0	-
	July 30, 2019	vs. Canada U20*	1	1	0	1	-1	0	-
	August 2, 2019	vs. Finland U20*	1	1	1	2	+1	0	-
	August 3, 2019	vs. Canada U20*	1	1	1	2	+1	0	-

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

	December 22, 2019	vs. Sweden U20*	1	1	0	1	+1	0	-
	December 23, 2019	vs. Germany U20*	1	4	0	4	+3	0	-
	December 26, 2019	vs. Canada U20*	1	0	0	0	-2	0	17:55
	December 27, 2019	vs. Germany U20*	1	0	0	0	E	0	12:52
	December 29, 2019	vs. Russia U20*	1	0	1	1	E	0	13:27
	December 30, 2019	vs. Czech Republic U20*	1	1	0	1	E	0	12:01
	January 2, 2020	vs. Finland U20*	1	0	0	0	E	0	11:12

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[26Mats]

i wouldn't compare what's best for one prospect vs another prospect that struggled as each is in their own boat.

the question should be, what does Caufield need to improve upon? once you figure that out it becomes where is the best place for him to improve on those issues?

I think it's all a moot point, he doesn't want to play there, the NCAA has yet to cancel the season so he can't play there just yet and imo if they do cancel which I don't think they will then my money is on the AHL.



Germany was the only weak team he faced.

	July 27, 2019	vs. Sweden U20*	1	1	0	1	-	0	-
	July 28, 2019	vs. Finland U20*	1	0	1	1	+3	0	-
	July 30, 2019	vs. Canada U20*	1	1	0	1	-1	0	-
	August 2, 2019	vs. Finland U20*	1	1	1	2	+1	0	-
	August 3, 2019	vs. Canada U20*	1	1	1	2	+1	0	-

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

	December 22, 2019	vs. Sweden U20*	1	1	0	1	+1	0	-
	December 23, 2019	vs. Germany U20*	1	4	0	4	+3	0	-
	December 26, 2019	vs. Canada U20*	1	0	0	0	-2	0	17:55
	December 27, 2019	vs. Germany U20*	1	0	0	0	E	0	12:52
	December 29, 2019	vs. Russia U20*	1	0	1	1	E	0	13:27
	December 30, 2019	vs. Czech Republic U20*	1	1	0	1	E	0	12:01
	January 2, 2020	vs. Finland U20*	1	0	0	0	E	0	11:12

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Excluding the Germany game 10 points in 11 games is good. Not dominant but very good.

At the actaul tournament, 3 points in 6 games is just so, so, though too small of a sample size.

 

[Adam Michaels]

In the article by Basu in The Athletic, he spoke with Caufield. And he says that he's gained 5 pounds of muscle. So that would put him at about 170 lbs.

 

[montreal]

Excluding the Germany game 10 points in 11 games is good. Not dominant but very good.

At the actaul tournament, 3 points in 6 games is just so, so, though too small of a sample size.

at the wjc's he had 2 pts in 5 games. the 12-22 and 23 games don't count as they were exhibition.

 

[Treb]

Yup, i'm a realist and a bit more objective than the majority of this forum. Sorry pal, but your "strong chance he signs" feeling is based on fanboy-emotions.

Unless @ahmedou misquoted (I don't have an Athletic sub to check), Caufield literally said: “So the best option would be to just sign with the Canadiens if the college season doesn’t happen...”

I'd say this is more than just fanboy-emotions.

 

[Skip Bayless]

In the article by Basu in The Athletic, he spoke with Caufield. And he says that he's gained 5 pounds of muscle. So that would put him at about 170 lbs.

Already looks like a man, except for the baby face.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Caufield looks 5'3 or 5'4.

Indeed, I'd be very surprised if he's actually 5'7. Dude looks 5'5 tops.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Ok but what about skills? What group is the most skilled, OHL or NCAA? (I really don't know). If OHL is more skilled I don't see why it would be a problem to play there. I didn't see Suzuki struggle this year despite him playing against kid size players last year.

In fact, the guy I have seen struggle was Peohling, who incidentally was playing NCAA last season....

Poehling had issues with not training enough. Has nothing to do with the league he was in.