Confirmed with Link: COL trades Barrie(50% retained)/Kerfoot/2020 6th to TOR for Kadri/Rosen/2020 3rd

[Avs_19]

Tyson Barrie at $2.75m would be an awesome rental. Could see Edmonton, Calgary, and Winnipeg being interested

I was thinking of the Flames as well. They had a deal in place with the Leafs until Kadri vetoed it so there was interest in one of the Flames D (rumoured to be Brodie). Maybe there's a Barrie for Brodie/Hamonic trade to be made if things don't improve for both teams. Brodie's health is obviously a concern and that comes first so Hamonic might be more likely.

 

[Balthazar]

Tyson Barrie at $2.75m would be an awesome rental. Could see Edmonton, Calgary, and Winnipeg being interested

Leafs are all-in, they aren't going to trade Barrie as a rental. If they trade him it will be a hockey trade for more than likely another RHD.

 

[Foppa2118]

He would be a great for in EDM

Yeah, the Oilers are definitely the best fit for his style of play outside of Colorado, and he doesn't have another high end offensive defenseman to take minutes away from him there like Toronto or Vancouver. They can pair him all night with McDavid if they want, just like he was with MacKinnon.

That said, not everybody wants to live in Edmonton.

 

[Avs9296]

I can't see a top end FA willingly signing in Edmonton. Who was the last one?

 

[Papa Francouz]

I can't see a top end FA willingly signing in Edmonton. Who was the last one?

Lucic lol

 

[Spirits]

Lucic lol

He said top end.

 

[Papa Francouz]

He said top end.

Probably Andrej Sekera, then.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Hamonic/Barrie swap makes some sense if Babcock is keeping his job.

 

[Gatorbait19]

Anyone else feel like we got the 2 best assets in this deal?

You could even call it 3 assets if you view not having to give Tyson a deal that will be awful starting the day it’s signed, as a plus. I guess going down the rabbit hole you can say 4 assets if we’re including the ridiculous deal the leafs gave to Kerfoot.

 

[Avs_19]

From Mirtle's piece on Babcock:

The Tyson Barrie situation is a good example of the dressing-room issues at play. Elliotte Friedman reported on Saturday night’s broadcast that Barrie had not requested a trade. But based on what I’ve been hearing in recent weeks, that still may happen. He is clearly not happy in Toronto, and his camp has had recent talks with the front office about the situation.

Barrie is goalless and on pace for the worst season of his career, right when he’s about to hit unrestricted free agency, at a position (right defence) where the demand is often through the roof. They were expecting a big payday north of $45-million, long term. That’s suddenly in jeopardy.

Mirtle: The pros and cons of the Maple Leafs moving on from...

#FreeBarrie

 

[Murzu]

From Mirtle's piece on Babcock:

They were expecting a big payday north of $45-million, long term.

I hate to contribute to the Barrie discussions, but I'd pay Barrie 50M easily. 7 yrs, 7M per would be a steal.

 

[GoNordiquesGo]

Yhea. He was, deservedly, gonna ask for way more than that. Now its becoming less clear every week that goes by. Recency bias will be a bitch for him if things keep heading in that direction... Very curious to see how this is gonna end. I feel bad for the guy...

I was in the camp of people being OK with trading him for the right 2C player, partly because of expected cap constraints with the size of his expected future contract. But I never agreed with people who are unfairly bashing him in order to justify their willingness to trade him. I think he is a very high end player, amazing offensively, who deserves to get paid for what he can provide. I don't think these two positions are in contradiction. Regardless of his value, or because of his value, I thought that trading him was a good option, given our needs and strengths.

So I wish him the best. Now the question is, could the best be a return to Colorado on a reasonable/bargain deal????? How about a 4 years $30M deal?

 

[Patagonia]

Yhea. He was, deservedly, gonna ask for way more than that. Now its becoming less clear every week that goes by. Recency bias will be a ***** for him if things keep heading in that direction... Very curious to see how this is gonna end. I feel bad for the guy...

I was in the camp of people being OK with trading him for the right 2C player, partly because of expected cap constraints with the size of his expected future contract. But I never agreed with people who are unfairly bashing him in order to justify their willingness to trade him. I think he is a very high end player, amazing offensively, who deserves to get paid for what he can provide. I don't think these two positions are in contradiction. Regardless of his value, or because of his value, I thought that trading him was a good option, given our needs and strengths.

So I wish him the best. Now the question is, could the best be a return to Colorado on a reasonable/bargain deal????? How about a 4 years $30M deal?

Barrie has always been over-rated.

Good offensively in a PP or structured ES role. Terrible defensively. He is one-dimensional and needs a defensive LHD. There simply is no room for him after: Makar, Girard and Byram.

If there is any offer, I would offer the same deal as Girard 7 years @ $35M or $5M per.

 

[klozge]

I hate to contribute to the Barrie discussions, but I'd pay Barrie 50M easily. 7 yrs, 7M per would be a steal.

I'm glad the Avs won't do this. His defense has become so bad in the last couple of years.

Edit: And with Makar, Girard, Byram, Timmins and Rosen Avs don't need his offensive talents.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Jesus Christ Barrie wait a week please. I planned a trip around his freaking return. The injuries are bad enough.

 

[Gatorbait19]

I'm glad the Avs won't do this. His defense has become so bad in the last couple of years.

Edit: And with Makar, Girard, Byram, Timmins and Rosen Avs don't need his offensive talents.

Serious questions for the board re: Tyson:

1. Is Tyson in the bottom 5% of all dmen in the league in terms of defensive ability?

2. If Tyson was a 25pt Dman (which is what he’s on pace for currently), is he an nhl caliber player?

I suspect the usual answers from the usual suspects on each side (myself included), but just curious about everyone’s thoughts.

 

[Pokecheque]

Serious questions for the board re: Tyson:

1. Is Tyson in the bottom 5% of all dmen in the league in terms of defensive ability?

2. If Tyson was a 25pt Dman (which is what he’s on pace for currently), is he an nhl caliber player?

I suspect the usual answers from the usual suspects on each side (myself included), but just curious about everyone’s thoughts.

1. No.

2. Yes, he is still NHL-caliber.

One bad season does not negate the fact that he's been one of the most consistent and productive defensemen in the league since 2013-14. I think something else will give before he runs completely aground this season though. Either he gets dealt or Babs will finally get the axe, but something will take place where he finds himself in a better position.

 

[Avs_19]

Demoted to the bottom pair now with Holl taking his place next to Muzzin. Newport needs to get him out immediately.

 

[Balthazar]

Demoted to the bottom pair now with Holl taking his place next to Muzzin. Newport needs to get him out immediately.

I feel like some people don't realize how bad Barrie plays. They just assume he's not producing because of Babcock's style but he's really, really bad.

 

[Avsboy]

I feel like some people don't realize how bad Barrie plays. They just assume he's not producing because of Babcock's style but he's really, really bad.

The last game he looked truly terrible. Making bad plays all the time, lots of them costing Toronto dearly. When he's not producing - since I put him in the bottom 10-20% in defensive ability - he's really a liability.

 

[Pokecheque]

As I've said, it's a vicious cycle. Babs has put him in a position to fail, so he's failed, and now he's playing without any direction or confidence. Of course he's going to look bad.

 

[Pokecheque]

Demoted to the bottom pair now with Holl taking his place next to Muzzin. Newport needs to get him out immediately.

I actually like Holl quite a bit. Wonder if that pairing may work. In any event it wasn't working with Muzzin. At least he ain't getting stuck with Ceci.

 

[Gatorbait19]

1. No.

2. Yes, he is still NHL-caliber.

One bad season does not negate the fact that he's been one of the most consistent and productive defensemen in the league since 2013-14. I think something else will give before he runs completely aground this season though. Either he gets dealt or Babs will finally get the axe, but something will take place where he finds himself in a better position.

Agree that 1 bad stretch/season doesn’t negate all the positives he’s done. Yes he was productive and consistent, but the Avs played only to his strengths - heavy PP time and only offensive zone starts - and basically crafted the rest of the D around Tyson’s skill set. There aren’t many teams that want, or have the ability, to do that.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Agree that 1 bad stretch/season doesn’t negate all the positives he’s done. Yes he was productive and consistent, but the Avs played only to his strengths - heavy PP time and only offensive zone starts - and basically crafted the rest of the D around Tyson’s skill set. There aren’t many teams that want, or have the ability, to do that.

I mean I would say every successful team plays their players to their strengths and utilizes them in the most effective way possible. So Dubas acquiring Barrie really shows how much of a disconnect there is between him and Babcock because Dubas clearly sees something in Barrie that Babcock doesn’t see how or isn’t willing to.

TLDR; don’t acquire a player if you aren’t going to utilize him in a positive manner.

 

[Pokecheque]

Agree that 1 bad stretch/season doesn’t negate all the positives he’s done. Yes he was productive and consistent, but the Avs played only to his strengths - heavy PP time and only offensive zone starts - and basically crafted the rest of the D around Tyson’s skill set. There aren’t many teams that want, or have the ability, to do that.

Echoes of Sandis Ozolinsh. There have always been players like Tyson Barrie, and there will only be more of them as the game gears itself more toward speed and offense. I don't think he's that hard of a player to figure out, or to build around. They just happen to have a coach who right now is going out of his way to go in a much different direction than his GM.