Confirmed with Link: [COL/NYR] Holden for a 4th round pick

[cgf]

Gormley's not very good and looked even worse in the AHL because he didn't give a s***. Dunk on the otherhand busted his ass down there, he just doesn't have the hands that Guenin does. Sure he might feel better with the NHL team, but that didn't make Guenin a better puck mover...so why should it have that effect on Siemens?

 

[tigervixxxen]

Eh. I'm still rooting for Dunk, but he made Guenin look like a two-way dman in the A. So his development doesn't actually matter like Bigras & Zadorov's development does; at best Dunk becomes a gryba like #6 PK-specialist, but realistically he won't even get to that level.

Did you guys know Guenin was on the PP in San Antonio? That was definitely a sight to see. He did ok with it tho. And Mikko spoon fed Siemens the prettiest (or only) goal he will ever score, that's how precious our big Finn is.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Gormley's not very good and looked even worse in the AHL because he didn't give a s***. Dunk on the otherhand busted his ass down there, he just doesn't have the hands that Guenin does. Sure he might feel better with the NHL team, but that didn't make Guenin a better puck mover...so why should it have that effect on Siemens?

Skating can get you out of a lot of situations. One of Guinin's biggest issues was being late to the party going after pucks, and slow to react to changes in coverage.

Siemens at least has a chance of being better in those areas.

I also think it's fully understood by Siemens that he needs to continue to work on his puck skills. Hes still young enough that there is a chance he improves. Guenin never really had 'potential' from the time he came here.

I think at the NHL level they can teach him how to keep things simple, use his partner, and not over handle the puck. We know development wasn't much of a thing down there.

I'll say this... It's really not going to matter for anyone unless Roy wakes up and realizes that his forwards/system need to do a better job of giving the defenders better outlets as well.

 

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

Gormley's not very good and looked even worse in the AHL because he didn't give a s***. Dunk on the otherhand busted his ass down there, he just doesn't have the hands that Guenin does. Sure he might feel better with the NHL team, but that didn't make Guenin a better puck mover...so why should it have that effect on Siemens?

It's hard to picture an NHL level defender having worse hands than Guenin. Still, the Avs could use a very good PK defender who could start defensive zone draws.

 

[AslanRH]

Gormley's not very good and looked even worse in the AHL because he didn't give a s***. Dunk on the otherhand busted his ass down there, he just doesn't have the hands that Guenin does. Sure he might feel better with the NHL team, but that didn't make Guenin a better puck mover...so why should it have that effect on Siemens?

And I'd argue that Guenin had better teachers and mentors with the big club than Siemens has ever had in our "development" program. I think you have to give the guy a long term (2-3 straight months) shot even if he is your #7 most of the time.

 

[LieutenantDangle]

I can't say that I've seen dunk play at all in the ahl, and the only time I've seen him play was the last game of the season a couple years ago. From what I saw, was a big mobile mean sob with brick hands. Looked like he was handling a grenade. Hopefully that's something he's been working on. He could be a Stuart lite (in his young days minus the offense) laying people out and giving young stars concussions from blindside hits, but if he doesn't improve his hands I don't think he can play in the nhl

All that aside though, I've been rooting for him since day one and was very displeased he hasn't gotten a chance yet, injuries or not. His timing was always wrong. Hope he cracks the roster out of camp

With Guenin, Holden, and Redmond out of the way and gormley falling out of favor, this might be the year of the dunk

 

[ASmileyFace]

This was the best news I've read today. Have fun in NY Nick.

 

[AMDZen]

Yeah that was a true LOL

Ya know, some of the same Rangers fans who I have heard say we overrate Zadorov say Holden isn't as bad as we make him out to be.

Rangers fans on the east coast (where most of them are) are some of the worst fans to judge any Avalanche player. Or any smaller market West Coast team for that matter.

The number of them whom have seen a decent sample size of games the Avalanche played, is so small as to be nearly useless for evaluating players. This is especially true for NY and the bubble they live in.

 

[Avs_19]

He's a below average skater who can't move the puck. He's also lacking a bit in the hockey sense department, which leads to bad decisions with the puck and poor positioning away from it.

I guess the "is he a NHL player?" stuff depends on what you value. For me it's hockey sense, skating, and ability to move the puck. I might even overvalue those things in a defenseman but it is what it is. That's why I don't think he should be a NHL regular and I'm glad he won't be with the Avs.

 

[ABasin]

Yay.

Sakic/Roy just fixed two past mistakes in the past week. While I remain skeptical about their making said mistakes in the first place, I'm pleased with the absence of stubbonness in the face of obvious evidence.

 

[AMDZen]

Yay.

Sakic/Roy just fixed two past mistakes in the past week. While I remain skeptical about their making said mistakes in the first place, I'm pleased with the absence of stubbonness in the face of obvious evidence.

And shown it a couple times already before this off season, such as with Cliché and Talbot

 

[Freudian]

It's possible that Siemens lack of puck skill will be too big a problem for him to ever be able to play in the NHL but there are some parts of his game that should translate well. His skating, size and willingness to play physical could possibly mean he's a poor mans Coburn as a #6-7.

I think you at least have to give him a chance before giving up on him.

 

[Balthazar]

It's possible that Siemens lack of puck skill will be too big a problem for him to ever be able to play in the NHL but there are some parts of his game that should translate well. His skating, size and willingness to play physical could possibly mean he's a poor mans Coburn as a #6-7.

I think you at least have to give him a chance before giving up on him.

I really hope that they give him a chance. He deserves a shot for his loyalty and patience alone. I'd welcome a good shut down dman with size and speed even if that's all he has.

 

[Amadeus]

I think Hamhuis is a solid fit for you guys.

He's definitely going UFA and he can provide some veteran leadership.

 

[tigervixxxen]

I think the last thing we want is veteran leadership TBH

 

[cgf]

Siemens really isn't an upgrade on Guenin tho

 

[McMetal]

I think the last thing we want is veteran leadership TBH

Hopefully we learned that lesson from signing Briere, Iggy and Talbot.

 

[AslanRH]

Siemens really isn't an upgrade on Guenin tho

Are you saying then that he shouldn't get a chance? One is ten years older than the other. One is merely a year and a half or so older than the two prospects everyone keeps saying are the future of our Defense once they finish developing their skills.

 

[hockeyfish]

I think the last thing we want is veteran leadership TBH

Veteran leadership is fine, as long as that veteran leadership can still play hockey. That's been the real problem.

 

[ABasin]

I think Hamhuis is a solid fit for you guys.

He's definitely going UFA and he can provide some veteran leadership.

Ugh, no acqusitions for veteran leadership. It's overrated, and over the past number of seasons Colorado has had plenty of veterans leading the team to losses.

Just acquisitions for good players, please.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Siemens should be given a chance but it feels like it will be a miracle to have our two 21 year old D playing, I can't really see another kid on the roster. I still think it's more likely he's traded than anything unfortunately.

 

[AvsGuy]

I have a few strands of hope left for Siemens, hopefully they give him a shot. Didn't LA draft Derek Forbort super high, wait forever for him to turn into something, and eventually he kind of-sort of did?

 

[UncleRisto]

I have a few strands of hope left for Siemens, hopefully they give him a shot. Didn't LA draft Derek Forbort super high, wait forever for him to turn into something, and eventually he kind of-sort of did?

Not really, he's Duncan Siemens in 2017-18.

 

[henchman21]

Siemens should probably get a shot in camp (I don't think he should be gifted a 7/8D spot), but the expectations should be really, really low for him on this board. Guenin is a significantly better defensemen... that is a scary thought.

That said, I doubt he even makes it to camp as an Av. Same with Gormley.

 

[AslanRH]

Well if he's significantly worse than Guenin and the Avs are serious about qualifying him than I highly doubt a team will want him. At least he'll be a marginal depth add for SAR